To think hate speach against mums on Instagram / YouTube should be make a crime

[Bekindnotabully]

With social media it's allowed amazing ways to communicate with people. But it's also allowed trolling and harrasment to happen at unprecedented scale.

Sites like tattle life and increasing Mumsnet allow people to troll women that make their living out of social media and the current rules in place don't allow the police to identify and bring to justice the trolls. You can pretty much say what you like including bullying someone over their appearance and their parenting with zero repreciousons. It's not on and needs to change.

I could go on but aibu to think these rules need to change? People are taking their own lives and the government did not approve my petition to afford people on social media greater human rights protection.

@VanillaSpiceCandle

Why should a woman that’s had a child be afforded more rights than one who hasn’t? Absolutely ridiculous.

Absolutely this.

Don't think these were the responses the OP was hoping for

If you choose a job in the public eye you cannot expect to be exempt from criticism. It won't happen. If you can't deal with it, choose a different career.

@Gobbolinothewitchscat

If you are putting yourself on Instagram and accepting paid work, you are a business. Consumers will criticise businesses. If your business is your family/your home etc, consumers will criticise that. That is why most people would not dream of breaching their family's privacy to do that kind of work as it opens them up to those kinds of comments - particularly when young children cannot consent to having their privacy breached and there are all sorts of safeguarding issues around that. You cannot monitise yourself and/or your family/home etc and expect consumers not to criticise or comment on the product. The two are not mutually exclusive so it is a decision that nerds to be made. Any job that is affecting a workers' mental health substantively is not a suitable job for them. I very briefly had a job where I defended those accused of commiting sexual offences. I had to move into another area of law as I couldn't cope with the work - even with support from colleagues etc. I had to look for another job. The solution was not to expect the firm to completely stop doing that kind of work

@Gobbolinothewitchscat is very wise indeed.

And I also agree with @WorraLiberty -

”I'd sooner see some privacy laws brought in to protect children from parents, who deem it reasonable to parade their kids all over the internet and document everything publicly - from their first shit to their last day at school.“

I think it’s actually quite worrying if you’re proposing we live in a world where we are unable to criticise anything, at fear of being a called a troll and punished.

There are certain things like death threats that I think are already crimes, that’s different and should be punished.

However I think muzzling people from saying anything bad at all is controlling and just weird. I wouldn’t want to be an influencer on social media for this reason, if it’s that bad for their mental health then that should be their priority and they need to delete their accounts to save themselves.

You want the right to be able to troll mums??!!

Do you mean ‘women’ or are you one of those women who thinks that women who aren’t mothers are somehow lesser and invalid.

Don’t know who Susie is but whilst serious trolling is wrong you are missing one point OP - not everyone will like everyone. If you put yourself out there, be it a comment on MN or as an “influencer” you should expect people will have a different opinion than you.
You are a bit over invested and childish IMO

This is not real!

Tattle is a cesspit.

OP having read your brief posting history You are either the instagrammer in question or you are waaaayy over invested

Or OP works for Tattle Life and is trying to redirect MN users to it.

No, I do not agree that mothers should have special protection against trolls because of their 'careers'.

Mums are no more special than other women. 🤷‍♀️

@Gancanny

I'd sooner see some privacy laws brought in to protect children from parents, who deem it reasonable to parade their kids all over the internet and document everything publicly - from their first shit to their last day at school

I would agree with this.

Any revenue from videos featuring s child should be paid in that child's name into an account that they can access when they're 18. The parents should not be profiting off plastering their child all over social media.

As money is involved there should be a limit on how many videos the child can participate in as we have restrictions on how many hours children are allowed to work/perform. They should be subject to all of the same rules as child performers, including having to apply for a child performance license.

I also think all children should have the right to have their social media presence wiped clean at the age of 16, including any items posted by parents/family members.

Absolutely spot on!

I’ve never been trolled as a parent. And not because my life isn’t happy or insta-worthy or any of that nonsense. But I don’t post it out to the world so nobody needs to have an opinion on it but me. Negative opinions and comments are something you need thick enough skin to be able to deal with if that’s how you’re choosing to make your money.

I didn’t join the army as a career. Personally I don’t think I’d cope well with the strain of that lifestyle. If I did decide to join I couldn’t then complain that the hours are long and the enemy is being mean to me. Things are what they are, the social media world is shallow and gossipy by nature. People have all sorts of thoughts and the right to voice them and she can’t take advantage of that when it suits her then be upset by the negatives. If it’s not working out then maybe it’s time for a career change.

I think there is more need for a law to protect the children whose parents are monetising their childhoods and putting their most intimate moments on a public Instagram account.

I don't know who this Susie person is, but sounds like you know her personally/are her OP. I think if you put your life out there then you have to have a really thick skin or perhaps the influencer life is not for you 🤷🏻‍♀️

Op are you an 'influencer'?

The OP had gone very quiet.

I think she was trolling us.

Suspect the OP's work here is done
Bet the hot rates on threads about this Suzie woman or her Insta have shot up

8People that sell their lives and their children's lives in Insta could stop selling their lives for a quick buck if they are bothered*

^This. With knobs on.

OP, I don't think Suzie is that bothered about misogyny given that one of her products is called "Basic Bitches Style Guide" [sic].

For £20, I'd at least expect an apostrophe.

YABVU. Free speech is important.

If someone is hurt by words on a screen from a random stranger that is their problem and they need to work on their resilience.

If parents worked more on children’s confidence and resilience we wouldn’t have so many adults who are unable to handle the world.

I don’t agree with anyone criticising appearances or parenting styles (unless seriously dangerous) on here or on Tattle. However, the word “troll” is being batted around far to easily.

My definition of a troll is someone whose sole purpose is to upset, humiliate and/or be aggressively spiteful to someone privately or publicly, and normally anonymously.

Threads on here and on Tattle, IMO, is not ‘trolling’. It’s gossip as you would down the pub, about something that interests (or irritates) you.

I’m not a particular fan of Mrs Hinch, couldn’t care less about her cleaning, or how she looks, but I do care about the fact her son is “sold” to her followers. She earns money from her son being in the public eye. And as others have stated, tighter laws need to be in place to protect children who have not consented be online.

As a final point, I personally don’t contribute on those threads, as I find them time hoovers and also they can become bitchy on occasions. But, I lurk on Tattle because it has opened my eyes to some of the realities behind influencers. #ad and #gifted products are everywhere and actually the commercial angle is fascinating to me. The fact an influencer can earn over 6 figures a year, and make out they’re “just like you” is a very clever business model.

Re Tattle I think it depends on the influencer and the thread. I've read some threads on there which seem to be full of people who know the influencer. They are all basically just bitching about the influencer, and there are lots of personal comments about their appearance etc.

There are others that are full of sensible comments about the influencer's behaviour, or discussions about hot topics (for example, there's a thread on JK Rowling with people debating her recent essay, and lots of threads where people are discussing undeclared adverts etc.)

I agree with all the previous comments about how social media influencers are running a business, and they have to expect that they will be criticised from time to time. If you post lots of adverts and don't declare that they are adverts, I don't see why you shouldn't be told, robustly, about your mistake.

I don't agree with people posting comments about people's appearance, but I'm not sure there is much that could be done about that. It's not really any different to me getting home from a party and saying to my husband 'did you see they state of x's hair? What a mess!' Which, although a bit mean, isn't a crime!

If you publicly display your life for all and sundry, you have to expect criticism. Social media would be the easiest job in the world if everyone just had to be lovely to you.

For goodness sake. No-one on here has called her an awful parent. In terms of her appearance, a few said that she had questionable taste for a stylist who sells her services as such.

99.9% of all the threads (and I'm including the deleted ones as I was on/have read them) focussed on the poor customer service and pretty shoddy product she is selling a d perpetuating.

Being a mum doesn't excuse you from that. Perhaps by your logic, providing a poor service and being pretty snide/rude to mums ought to be illegal too?

I think the protection needs to go to the children some of these pathetic ‘mummy bloggers’ are exploiting. They choose to display every single mundane aspect of their lives. You cannot expect only to be told how amazing you are hun.