To think hate speach against mums on Instagram / YouTube should be make a crime

[Bekindnotabully]

With social media it's allowed amazing ways to communicate with people. But it's also allowed trolling and harrasment to happen at unprecedented scale.

Sites like tattle life and increasing Mumsnet allow people to troll women that make their living out of social media and the current rules in place don't allow the police to identify and bring to justice the trolls. You can pretty much say what you like including bullying someone over their appearance and their parenting with zero repreciousons. It's not on and needs to change.

I could go on but aibu to think these rules need to change? People are taking their own lives and the government did not approve my petition to afford people on social media greater human rights protection.

OP having read your brief posting history
You are either the instagrammer in question or you are waaaayy over invested

@Bekindnotabully

On the styled by Susie threads here and tattle people are being nasty about her appearance and calling her a terrible parent. This is really affecting her mental health.

How do you know it is affecting her health - are you Susie?

Most business' also have a complaints department where consumers can discuss issues and hsve them resolved. That doesn't seem to happen on Instagram as most influencers have no customer relationship skills at all nor any training in how to handle difficult conversations. Plus, as they and their families are the "product", they don't have the necessary objectivity. So the frustration grows and sites whuch do allow discussion are set up - this is actually worse as the influencer cannot then control the narrative. If tesco deleted every negative comment or complaint - even substantive ones - then no doubt a site would be set up to discuss them. Complaints and feedback are part and parcel of running a business. If you handle them well, they can a tually improve your business. Unf most influencers don't realise that

@Bekindnotabully

No sorry against everyone not just mums, but mums now are getting the brunt of it because of their careers.

Because of their what?

@WorraLiberty

I'd sooner see some privacy laws brought in to protect children from parents, who deem it reasonable to parade their kids all over the internet and document everything publicly - from their first shit to their last day at school.

This ^^

Also, haven't we been through this before with a certain Instamum who railed against valid criticism as 'trolling' and then was outed as a racist troll herself?

The solution is simple. If you don't want strangers commenting on you, take yourself out of the public eye or grow a thicker skin.

One person’s criticism is another person’s hate posts.

Having said that, I have not seen the threads here, I’m not familiar with Susie or Tattle.

But when you put yourself on SM some acceptance of the criticism is to be expected. No one gets a free pass because they are a mum.

Gobbolinothewitchscat and Yoholyolo stated it better than I ever could.

I'd sooner see some privacy laws brought in to protect children from parents, who deem it reasonable to parade their kids all over the internet and document everything publicly - from their first shit to their last day at school

I would agree with this.

Any revenue from videos featuring s child should be paid in that child's name into an account that they can access when they're 18. The parents should not be profiting off plastering their child all over social media.

As money is involved there should be a limit on how many videos the child can participate in as we have restrictions on how many hours children are allowed to work/perform. They should be subject to all of the same rules as child performers, including having to apply for a child performance license.

I also think all children should have the right to have their social media presence wiped clean at the age of 16, including any items posted by parents/family members.

And who is this Suzie woman anyway?

Are you just trying to drum up extra publicity for her OP?

All these threads do is draw attention to it and send people over to Tattle who otherwise wouldn't have heard of it. Nice one op

I think there's a fine line between freedom of speech and censorship. I don't want to see a time when any negative comment or opinion that differs is considered a criminal offence

I know very little about these Instamums but it reminds me a bit of the mummy bloggers a few years back
From what little I've gleaned neither they or their followers seem the sharpest tools in the box

Susie's whole business model is based upon other women's insecurities. She's now trying to make even more money out of these women. I don't think abuse is an acceptable response, but i do question her ethics.

Bekindnotabully

On the styled by Susie threads here and tattle people are being nasty about her appearance and calling her a terrible parent. This is really affecting her mental health.

Then she should get off social media and stay off it, she is clearly incapable of dealing with the life she's choosing to live.

Susie offers fashion advice to women for a fee. She'll show you round Primark for £100!

styledbysusie.co.uk/shop/

On the styled by Susie threads here and tattle people are being nasty about her appearance and calling her a terrible parent. This is really affecting her mental health.

She's in complete control of her 'career', unlike her children.

Perhaps now is the time for her to rethink it and realise she may well be putting her DC's future mental health at risk.

Or is money and 'fame' clouding her view on that?

I don’t really have an opinion on online influencers of any kind, if that’s how they want to make their living it’s up to them. What I will say though is no matter what influencers say or do they will be judged, trolled and abused it’s the nature of the beast.
You need to develop a thick skin and not give a shit about being criticised, learn to block and delete and don’t give headspace to people who don’t give a shit about your feelings.
Bullying is abhorrent but there is nothing in this world that is going to eradicate it. Bullies enjoy the reactions they get, they love that they hurt people and make them feel bad so stop feeding them by reacting, just delete, block and ignore.

£115 for some stranger to turn up and walk round Primark with you for 2 hours??

What happened to shopping with a friend and shouting them a Maccie Dees?

I think there's a bright line between being sent threatening messages and people simply talking to each other about you in public.

If this Susie, whoever she may be, is upset by MN threads she needs to stop reading it.

If people are contacting her directly then that is already a crime and I encourage her to prosecute as it is unacceptable.

There are places on the internet where people I don't know talk about me (in my RL). It is not very nice. I don't go to those places. I get on with my life. I don't know those people and their tedious opinions on an imagined/confected version of me are of no import to a fully grown woman.

Just looked at the IG she doesn’t show her children does she? Unless I’ve missed something I don’t get why being a Mum is relevant here.

It's not a hate crime to tell people on Instagram that if they're promoting or advertising a product in an attempt to make a profit they need to make that clear. From what I've seen on tattle the vast majority of it is around dubious ethics behind Instagram accounts. Exploiting women's insecurities it's not helpful.

I have no idea who Susie might be. Being an “influencer” is a choice. When you put yourself out as an “expert on lifestyle” then you must accept positive and negative feedback. Any post on MN that you deem as hate speech should be reported to MNHQ immediately.

I've not read the Susie stuff, but as a general rule I'd say that if your business is styling people or giving fashion advice, then people will notice and comment on your own appearance.

I think there's also a difference between trolling and general critical comments. There needs to be impartial rules on sites. Twitter is a cess pit and while women are threatened and abused there, with no consequences, I can't get too worked up if some influencer feels sensitive about online criticism of their business. So long as it isn't threatening, of course.

I agree that no one should be allowed to post critical comments about children - it's society's job to protect them. I also think parents shouldn't be allowed to build 'careers' out of their children, who are not able to consent.

Re examples, there was a thread here so bad earlier in the week Mumsnet deleted it. But Susie had already read all the poison pen messages about her and they cut deep

Susie really needs to take a break from social media, then - it's not just Instagram influencers (assuming that's what she is?) who suffer from mental health issues and if her resilience is low she needs to address that.

I think the issue is that people who rely on social media to make a living find it understandably difficult to take a break from it. But that's why lots of celebrities have publicists who do this stuff for them - you can't expect to remain resilient if you're constantly pouring over negative and personal comments about yourself.

If you put your life on social media and make money selling that lifestyle then I think you need to expect criticism. From comments I have seen only the minority are nasty/troll comments.

I have seen lots of criticism lately for Mrs Hinch. Mainly focused on some of her "tips" being dangerous and house. I don't see anything wrong with that.

More of an issue are all of these "influencers" making money from their children. That should be what is banned OP.