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Jesica Krug - white Jewish Woman pretended to be black.

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SentientAndCognisant · 04/09/2020 08:30

Ms Krug, a Jewish woman form Kansa purported to be a Black woman and was a Professor of AfricanAmerica Hostory at George Washington University . Teaching classes and supervision grad and undergrad students in African American History

She was also an activist who posted and participated in rallies and events as Jessica La Bombalera. Demonstrating against the gentrification of East Harlem, proclaiming it to be her neighbourhood

Essentially she has gaslight,lied and assumed an identity that is not hers. In doing so,other candidates were denied opportunities,remuneration. She has assumed an identity and heritage that was not hers to assume

Exposed by a student who had the courage to confide in other teaching staff

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SentientAndCognisant · 04/09/2020 17:05

READ THE THREAD PEOPLE , I am directly quoting Ms Krug

To @SheepandCow And everyone asking, why did I include shes White and Jewish ⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️

I felt it relevant to inc that Ms Krug is white and Jewish because that’s her upbringing and it is what she identifies as in her apology. She reported that’s her background

It’s relevant because she purported to have a different upbringing and presented a wholly different narrative in her her online presence and It is how she represented herself

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SheepandCow · 04/09/2020 17:08

One things definite. I think...having said it, someone's bound to disagree with me...
We're all humans. Unless...is trans species a thing? Even if so, we're all individuals.

SentientAndCognisant · 04/09/2020 17:17

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer
@thinkfast
And all others querying the composition of my op

I I felt it relevant to inc that Ms Krug is white and Jewish because that’s her upbringing and it is what she identifies as in her apology. She reported that’s her background

It’s relevant because she purported to have a different upbringing and presented a wholly different narrative in her her online presence and It is how she represented herself felt it relevant to inc that Ms Krug is white and Jewish because that’s her upbringing and it is what she identifies as in her apology. She reported that’s her background

It’s relevant because she purported to have a different upbringing and presented a wholly different narrative in her her online presence and It is how she represented herself

Ms Krug published an online apology and again she referenced being White and Jewish

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SentientAndCognisant · 04/09/2020 17:19

It’s been ask3d how did she get away with it so long..?

Genuinely don’t know. We are all online we all use google and FB and linked in. It’s surprising it’s not been outed before. Unless people had misgivings previously?

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SheepandCow · 04/09/2020 17:20

@SentientAndCognisant

READ THE THREAD PEOPLE , I am directly quoting Ms Krug

To @SheepandCow And everyone asking, why did I include shes White and Jewish ⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️

I felt it relevant to inc that Ms Krug is white and Jewish because that’s her upbringing and it is what she identifies as in her apology. She reported that’s her background

It’s relevant because she purported to have a different upbringing and presented a wholly different narrative in her her online presence and It is how she represented herself

I get why you it was included in the OP now, thanks, and apologies for not reading the full thread. I still feel it's irrelevant to skin colour since there are black (and brown) Jews. It's not exclusive to white people.

The emphasis makes me feel a little uncomfortable. I worry her self description could be seized on by racists as a 'justification' for anti-Semitism. In this case, her being white is what's relevant to the story. That said her Jewishness raises interesting questions. Some people (Jews included, as a pp says) don't consider Jews to be white. Some see them as BAME. They're certainly a group who have been very oppressed for thousands of years.

There's a good BBC link someone posted on another thread. Going back through thousands of years of history, us humans (whatever our skin tone) are very mixed race wise.

SentientAndCognisant · 04/09/2020 17:24

And I am reporting the facts of a women who led a false made up professional and personal life

If she’d.been Anglican,catholic, CoE and white and misrepresenting herself I’d have reported that too

I have not commented on her upbringing or background other than to report what she herself has confirmed

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Butchyrestingface · 04/09/2020 17:25

I don’t know how she fooled people for so long.

It's partly a consequence of people having been told to second guess and suppress their instincts about the stark-raving-obvious under the auspices of #BeKind inclusivity bollocks.

This woman would have given you a serious case of snow blindness if you'd stared at her directly without shades and yet apparently people fell for the charade (or did they really?) for around 20 years.

SentientAndCognisant · 04/09/2020 17:27

It is significant and included in all commentary about this event that she’s a white woman as she purposefully misrepresented herself as a black woman. She invented a set of experiences that were not hers. She spoke in first person as a black woman, she knew this was untrue. There is no suggestion that’d she would have had disclosed any of this had she not felt she was busted.

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PrincessZog · 04/09/2020 17:29

Just because JK mentioned it is irrelevant - Jews can be black. Black people can be Jewish.

So it is irrelevant to the post and certainly the title of the post.

The fact that the OP has jumped on this as a cause is because it's another opportunity to publicly bash a Jew.

SheepandCow · 04/09/2020 17:29

I understand why you're reporting how she describes herself. I'm just giving my opinion on it's relevance. Has she also self described as overweight or someone who only ever wears yellow jumpers, I'd also think it wasn't necessary for the media to emphasise that. But...actually her Jewish heritage is very interesting here, as it adds complication to the case. Makes it much less straight forward. In my opinion. Others might disagree.

PrincessZog · 04/09/2020 17:30

Still no outrage over Julia Salazar misrepresenting herself as Jewish from the OP though! Can't wait for your next AIBU on her.

ListeningQuietly · 04/09/2020 17:30

The fact that the OP has jumped on this as a cause is because it's another opportunity to publicly bash a Jew.
Que ?

TheNewLook · 04/09/2020 17:31

It’s so bizarre. The wokies are appalled that a white person pretended to be black but delighted that when males pretend to be females.

🤷‍♀️

SentientAndCognisant · 04/09/2020 17:32

@PrincessZog I have no idea who Julia Salazar is, so no I have not commented

Out of interest have you read my posts, or are you just here for a pile in?

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PrincessZog · 04/09/2020 17:33

@ListeningQuietly

The fact that the OP has jumped on this as a cause is because it's another opportunity to publicly bash a Jew. Que ?

I mean, grammatically that was an entire sentence, not sure what you're having trouble understanding there.

PrincessZog · 04/09/2020 17:35

[quote SentientAndCognisant]@PrincessZog I have no idea who Julia Salazar is, so no I have not commented

Out of interest have you read my posts, or are you just here for a pile in?[/quote]

Did you read mine? I posted a link explaining exactly who Julia Salazar is - a Latina woman and an elected official who pretended to be Jewish.

Your utter disinterest in anyone except a Jew doing socially unacceptable things speaks volumes.

Here's the link again https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/who-is-julia-salazar

TheNewLook · 04/09/2020 17:35

What if you don’t identify as the race you were “assigned” at birth? Is race assigned or observed? I forget.

SheepandCow · 04/09/2020 17:35

@Butchyrestingface

I don’t know how she fooled people for so long.

It's partly a consequence of people having been told to second guess and suppress their instincts about the stark-raving-obvious under the auspices of #BeKind inclusivity bollocks.

This woman would have given you a serious case of snow blindness if you'd stared at her directly without shades and yet apparently people fell for the charade (or did they really?) for around 20 years.

I think it might partly be that, but also because lots of mixed race people don't look it. I've known people with one white parent and one black parent who look white.

I really find it strange that it's considered so outrageous to do what she did, identifying strongly as black, but it's acceptable for biological males to identify as women. If ones ok, both are ok. Or neither. It's very confusing. It affects funding opportunities the same way. In the US many students go to university on sports scholarships, for example.

SentientAndCognisant · 04/09/2020 17:36

@ListeningQuietly, I have reported how Ms Krug misrepresented herself, essentially inventing a past and experience that were false. I factually reported that in her apology she identifies as Jewish and white. Some point she made a conscious choice to conceal her true upbringing and confect a made up past

Had she been catholic, CoE Anglican and misrepresenting herself I’d have noted that too.

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PrincessZog · 04/09/2020 17:38

[quote SentientAndCognisant]@ListeningQuietly, I have reported how Ms Krug misrepresented herself, essentially inventing a past and experience that were false. I factually reported that in her apology she identifies as Jewish and white. Some point she made a conscious choice to conceal her true upbringing and confect a made up past

Had she been catholic, CoE Anglican and misrepresenting herself I’d have noted that too.[/quote]

"Jessica Krug - White Christian woman pretending to be black"

Nah. You wouldn't have written that. Because you assumed Jews can't be black.

DeaconBoo · 04/09/2020 17:39

The title of the thread literally says "white Jewish" exactly as Krug says.

Floatyboat · 04/09/2020 17:41

Not read whole thread but not sure why op felt the need to mention she was Jewish Hmm

SoManyActivities · 04/09/2020 17:41

Yeah, this is obviously a shitty and offensive thing to do.

Which is why I cannot understand how men identifying as women is OK, and not only just OK but something that everyone must play along with and fawn over, otherwise they are a bigot who deserves to be arrested, sacked, punched, choked etc.

Can someone please, for the love of God, tell me how it's different!!!

Deathgrip · 04/09/2020 17:42

@Neolara

I think it's interesting to look at the similarities or difference to trans issues. What makes this so unacceptable if it's ok to accept people self id-ing as a different gender. There may be very good reasons that would be helpful to highlight / discuss.
The reason is that many people don’t really believe that women are oppressed, even many feminists. This is apparently abhorrent but those born and socialised male taking places on all women shortlists is just dandy.
SheepandCow · 04/09/2020 17:43

@DeaconBoo

The title of the thread literally says "white Jewish" exactly as Krug says.
That's what she says this week. The last ten years or so, she said she was black... Perhaps next year she'll self identify as a green Martian.

If she'd also said she was overweight or only wore Disney t shirts, would you think that's relevant?