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to not want DD(14) to have this T-Shirt

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SqueamishMum · 01/09/2020 11:56

Need a sanity check here (have name-changed so this isn't linked to other threads as I may be identifiable here)

A couple of weeks ago, DD(14) and I went to a thrift shop. I had given her some money to spend. She came up to me holding a T-Shirt balled up in her hands so I couldn't see the design, saying she was going to buy it.

Once she had bought it, she said to me "mum, you're not going to like this" and showed me the design on the T-Shirt. Basically it is a cartoon of someone getting their arm shredded in a blender with their eyes popping out. It is quite stylised and cartoony, but it is, in my opinion, gory (lots of cartoon blood).

I was unimpressed and said to her that I wasn't happy with her having it. She then said to me "oh well, too late to return it now" and swanned out of the shop.

I was pretty angry at her attitude and called her back. I went up to the counter with her and said she was to return it. The young woman behind the counter looked at the T-Shirt and said "really? I like it". I repeated that it was to be returned. She turned to my daughter and said "do you want to return it?". I said to her again that it was to be returned. My daughter was saying "it's my money!", but then relented and said she would return it.

The manager had to be called. The T-shirt was returned. My daughter went back into the shop to find something else to buy. I was feeling really angry, with my daughter for trying to get one over on me, but more with the attitude of the shop assistant undermining me, so I waited outside the shop.

My daughter came out with a couple of non-gory T-shirts and we left.

It has since transpired that the shop assistant, feeling sorry for my daughter, gave her the gory t-shirt free of charge.

My daughter confessed this to me, then said she had worn it out, and her dad really likes it, his girlfriend really likes it, her friend and her friend's mother really likes it. It's only me that doesn't like it. (Her dad btw utterly despises me and will take any opportunity to undermine me with her).

I personally feel it's really antisocial to wear a t-shirt like that out at the park (as DD has been doing) where there are small kids. It's a nasty image and it makes me feel squeamish every time I see it.

I've told DD that I don't want her wearing it around me. She said OK . This weekend she came back from her dad's wearing it. I told her to change and she said "it's fine, I'm only going to be wearing it upstairs where you can't see".

I'm not generally draconian about my daughter's style choices - I just find the image on this T-shirt inappropriate. However, it seems the shop assistant and other adults she's talked to about it since think I'm over the top.

I'm willing to accept that maybe I am being - but feel DD's testing boundaries on quite a few things atm. I'm generally a bit of a pushover and was trying to be less so this time.

Would be really interested to know what others think

Thanks

OP posts:
NotSuchASmugMarriedNow1 · 01/09/2020 14:54

Pick your battles.

ScrapThatThen · 01/09/2020 14:54

It's really interesting to reflect on why the gore/violence pushed your buttons. And that you feel her dad didn't protect her from older rated things when she was younger - maybe that is why this is the boundary she chose to push with you? And your instinct was to hold the boundary? This is a different perspective from the one I was guessing, which is that you would feel embarrassed and ashamed of OTHERS seeing her wear it (which would be seeing her as a reflection on you, not as her own person, and you reacting to your own shame rather than acting in her interests). I suspect you are in fact doing ok with this parenting teenagers lark, OP.

HexyAndIKnowIt · 01/09/2020 14:54

My Mother was like this. Her levels of control stretched to ironing the print on T Shirts she especially disliked (my favourite Megadeth one was ruined several times as I kept rebuying the same shirt).
Caused so many arguments.

I still have many band shirts, several of which my Mother didn't approve of and I still wear them now, including misfits. I have never judged or interfered in what my own kids wore and the only line I ever drew was DS's 'As Empires Burn' shirt which had "As Empires Fucking Burn" across the back. Fine for a night out in the rock club, not so much in Tesco.

Reddog1 · 01/09/2020 14:56

My mate had a t shirt (back in the 1990s) by the band The Family Cat. On the back, were the words, “All other bands are dogshite”. Her Mum was horrified and refused to hang it on the washing line, it got dried in the airing cupboard.

Anyway, don’t be too hard on yourself OP. You overreacted and made a scene in the shop, but forget it now. No harm done.

KarenFitzkaren · 01/09/2020 14:56

I don't think I'd have a problem with the t shirt but I'd be annoyed at the shop assistant for doing that.

GlendaSugarbeanIsJudgingYou · 01/09/2020 15:00

Some of my Cradle of Filth T-shirts used gave my mum the vapors. I think they still do. Shock :o

You sound alright to me @SqueamishMum.

You'll lock horns with your teen over much more than this I'm afraid but as others say - just choose your battles.

Ellie56 · 01/09/2020 15:02

I think you should definitely borrow the T shirt. Wear it when her mates come round.Grin

oakleaffy · 01/09/2020 15:03

@Mashingthecompost
Oh yes, vintage skateboard stuff can be really collectable- even stickers from those days- the screaming hand, the leering skulls with popping out eyes-
Ephemera that doesn’t survive due to the transient nature of it can be quite valuable.
Nostalgia sells.
The teens in the 1990s are today’s big earners- and they hark back to their childhoods.
Transformers are hundreds of pounds now- yet loads were charity shopped ..

TheHappyHerbivore · 01/09/2020 15:04

I think 14 is old enough for her to make her own choices about her clothes.

CleverCatty · 01/09/2020 15:05

eh, pick your battles. She will only either wear it behind your back like she's already doing, will reinforce that either her dad's view is better etc, she will just see you as restricting what she can do/wear etc.

To anyone saying ruin the t-shirt on purpose - that's really mean - the DD will probably realise the 'mistake' in ironing it or washing it and will maybe buy another t-shirt.

Actually when I was a teenager (very good!) I wore on the whole what my DM picked out (very nice, but 'French' e.g. dark, navy etc) - one of the times I got a pretty 50's style pair of black shorts and a white top (nothing that wrong with them, not even buttock skimming!) my DM went mad and said 'that tarty mate of yours XXX told you to buy them!' but I carried on wearing them...

shinynewapple2020 · 01/09/2020 15:07

A few separate issues here:

The shop assistant was wrong to side with your DD and to give her the T shirt

I agree your DD needs speaking to about her attitude in the shop

The T shirt itself really doesn't sound that bad . My DS was / is into heavy metal and some of his T shirts had similar gory images

The only one I really objected to contained song lyrics along the lines of 'fuck it, fuck you, fuck off'. I told him he was allowed to wear at a gig or teenage party but nowhere else . The T shirt then found it's way into the washing basket where it stayed for a few weeks until DH threw it away (TBF I think DS was 16 rather than 14 at the time ).

dottiedodah · 01/09/2020 15:07

She is 14 ,and although like you I wouldnt be keen on it ,stopping her from wearing it will only make her more determined! I think at about 14 teenagers want to express themselves ,and the least DM likes it the cooler it must be.Let her wear it and try to ignore it .

louderthan1 · 01/09/2020 15:07

Your controlling relationship with your daughter has nothing to do with the shop staff. I thought you were going to say the T-shirt had a racist slogan or a picture of a dictator on it or something. Get a grip.

CleverCatty · 01/09/2020 15:09

adding another aspect to this - my DB likes graphic t shirts and has a few with skulls etc on them which for some reason give his fairly conservative in-laws the vapours, I personally think he should wear them etc.

Anyway recently I saw a nice All Saints white graphic tshirt didn't look too hard at what it said - it turned out it was a Charles Manson tshirt. Oops.

itsgettingweird · 01/09/2020 15:10

Totally agree with others - the fact you can reflect and are willing to learn means you'll survive this.

We all do somehow! Just about

CleverCatty · 01/09/2020 15:10

@louderthan1

Your controlling relationship with your daughter has nothing to do with the shop staff. I thought you were going to say the T-shirt had a racist slogan or a picture of a dictator on it or something. Get a grip.
Che Gueavara t-shirts were all the rage when I was a teenager - our local fashion shop was actually called Che Guevara
GlendaSugarbeanIsJudgingYou · 01/09/2020 15:11

Ugh, I can't type today...

liveitwell · 01/09/2020 15:11

I think you're uptight and stiffling. How embarrassing for your daughter. She'd old enough to wear what she wants as long as it isn't offensive.

You need to let go, or else she'll turn her back on you as soon as she's able.

yikesanotherbooboo · 01/09/2020 15:12

Don't have unnecessary battles. 14 is an age where DC like button pushing and also like to express themselves through clothes and makeup. I would leave her to it . She will come out of teenage hood and leave all this stuff behind . if you are negative to her or about her taste she might remember the hurt ; teenagers are super sensitive as we know .

DarkHelmet · 01/09/2020 15:14

Definitely an over the top reaction. It's just a T-shirt, she's 14 not 4, and she bought it with her own money.

user1481840227 · 01/09/2020 15:14

@IntermittentParps

I don't understand why posters are furious with the shop assistant. It's not their job to mediate in family disputes, they are there to sell clothes

She DID try to 'mediate' though (or interfere). She gave her personal opinion on it, and went over the OP to ask her DD if she really wanted to return it. She was out of order.

The DD was the one who bought the item. She had sold it to the DD. The DD was reluctant to return the item...so I think it's fine that she asked the actual purchaser if they wanted to return their purchase! That's not mediating.

The OP was the one who brought her DD to the counter and said that "she was to return it"...which then put the shop assistant in an uncomfortable position, aware that the 2 people in front of her were clearly in a dispute over it.

The argument should have been dealt with before they went and got the shop assistant involved.

bumblebeewine · 01/09/2020 15:14

Come on, we need to see it!

Didkdt · 01/09/2020 15:20

Normally a shop assistant wouldn't give away stock or undermine a parent, so either the assistant was flighty or she felt sorry for your daughter because of how the situation was handled
There's nothing wrong with reflecting on that and considering how else you could have made your point.
Ultimately though your daughter is now out and about painting you as unreasonable, and gathering a legion of supporters.
I think that's what you need to tackle, I'd talk to her about why she may be doing that, don't ask her directly but do consider whether she's copying her dad.
There's an element of bullying going on as well she has the upper hand and she's gloating and waving it about in your face.
Tell her to keep the tshirt at her dad's.

NoemiaElara · 01/09/2020 15:22

When I was 14 I was wearing FCUK t-shirts with very suggestible writing across my boobs. I was also hanging out with my 17 year old boyfriend drinking lambrini in the park every weekend.
I think you've got off lightly with a gory t shirt!

Pjsallday · 01/09/2020 15:24

OP you've had several requests to post a pic? Let us make a informed decision then!

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