AIBU to say that if you won't wear masks and/or keep distance from others in public spaces you should stay at home

[CaptainMonkey]

... and leave the rest of us to get on with the work of figuring out how to open up social spaces in a safe way without being distracted by your egocentric tedious freedom fighting? Why do you want to crowd people and breathe all over them anyway? If you don't want to be out and about without doing so, just stay at home. We've got enough to do right now and don't need your nonsense.

I agree. I was in my coop and a man in the queue way too close behind me with no mask said 'no point in wearing that hen, covid isnt here'. People behind also maskless agreed. Fair enough we've not had thousands of deaths in our town but thousands have had their summer hols. Folk need to realise we're in a pandemic, its not going away for a while. He could pass it on to me, who my ds could then carry it on to my mum with chrons who babysits him, my 85 year old grandparents with angina, or even me with an autoimmune disease. He could have killed us all and didnt give a toss. Its unbelievable.

Particles of a virus spread via the respiratory tract will normally spread out in small concentrations and fall over a large area depending on the force behind their exit when a person breaths or speaks or eats etc. A mask ensures that some of those particles (not all by any stretch) gather and stay on the mask in one very high concentration. You cannot touch the mask at all, even slightly without coming into contact with an unnaturally high concentration of any virus that may be on there and then you spread that onto every other surface / person you come into contact with before you adequately sanitise your hands. So ask yourself honestly... Everyone who thinks the masks are going to save us all... Ask yourself honestly.... Do you never, ever touch your mask other than between taking it on and off and do you immediately sanitise your hands without touching another object or person every single time you so much as brush your finger against the mask? Do you wash the mask between every use? No matter how short that use? Do you change masks between uses if you are going in and out of different shops and taking it off between? Is every mask you wear fitted perfectly to you unique facial structure to ensure it fits well enough to work effectively? Do you always wear your mask perfectly? And now for the important bit because even if you answer yes honestly to all of that, do you think that every other person can also answer yes honestly to all of that? Because unless that is the case these masks do not protect us! All the evidence that supports the use of masks as a protective factor is based on people using masks perfectly! And we live in a shockingly imperfect world.

I will keep my distance gladly, but wear a mask? No. If that is not enough, you stay at home. Me not wearing a mask and social distancing at the height of the pandemic was enough, now a mask is a placebo for those who have caught The Fear.

Not everyone can wear a mask, and they shouldn't stay cooped up inside until the mask bullies feel they can be set free

Not talking about people who can't wear a mask. Talking about the tedious berks who won't wear one because freedom or whatever.

@Teal99

I will keep my distance gladly, but wear a mask? No. If that is not enough, you stay at home. Me not wearing a mask and social distancing at the height of the pandemic was enough, now a mask is a placebo for those who have caught The Fear.

Beyond selfish.

I wonder whether any of the supermarkets have considered having designated times when mask-wearing is compulsory. That way they would still be providing for those who cannot/will not, but those who are more nervous can opt to shop at a time when they know everyone else will be masked.

@Frenchpastry

Particles of a virus spread via the respiratory tract will normally spread out in small concentrations and fall over a large area depending on the force behind their exit when a person breaths or speaks or eats etc. A mask ensures that some of those particles (not all by any stretch) gather and stay on the mask in one very high concentration. You cannot touch the mask at all, even slightly without coming into contact with an unnaturally high concentration of any virus that may be on there and then you spread that onto every other surface / person you come into contact with before you adequately sanitise your hands. So ask yourself honestly... Everyone who thinks the masks are going to save us all... Ask yourself honestly.... Do you never, ever touch your mask other than between taking it on and off and do you immediately sanitise your hands without touching another object or person every single time you so much as brush your finger against the mask? Do you wash the mask between every use? No matter how short that use? Do you change masks between uses if you are going in and out of different shops and taking it off between? Is every mask you wear fitted perfectly to you unique facial structure to ensure it fits well enough to work effectively? Do you always wear your mask perfectly? And now for the important bit because even if you answer yes honestly to all of that, do you think that every other person can also answer yes honestly to all of that? Because unless that is the case these masks do not protect us! All the evidence that supports the use of masks as a protective factor is based on people using masks perfectly! And we live in a shockingly imperfect world.

Yep

they make a little difference in perfect conditions - counter productive most of the time.

@Frenchpastry

Particles of a virus spread via the respiratory tract will normally spread out in small concentrations and fall over a large area depending on the force behind their exit when a person breaths or speaks or eats etc. A mask ensures that some of those particles (not all by any stretch) gather and stay on the mask in one very high concentration. You cannot touch the mask at all, even slightly without coming into contact with an unnaturally high concentration of any virus that may be on there and then you spread that onto every other surface / person you come into contact with before you adequately sanitise your hands. So ask yourself honestly... Everyone who thinks the masks are going to save us all... Ask yourself honestly.... Do you never, ever touch your mask other than between taking it on and off and do you immediately sanitise your hands without touching another object or person every single time you so much as brush your finger against the mask? Do you wash the mask between every use? No matter how short that use? Do you change masks between uses if you are going in and out of different shops and taking it off between? Is every mask you wear fitted perfectly to you unique facial structure to ensure it fits well enough to work effectively? Do you always wear your mask perfectly? And now for the important bit because even if you answer yes honestly to all of that, do you think that every other person can also answer yes honestly to all of that? Because unless that is the case these masks do not protect us! All the evidence that supports the use of masks as a protective factor is based on people using masks perfectly! And we live in a shockingly imperfect world.

Nope, I wear a mask but it’s really just box ticking here because I have to. I do try and take it on and off at the loops and sanitise my hands before and after but invariably just stuff it in my pocket/chuck it on the seat of the car. I’m going to Aldi, not working on a Covid Ward. If cases start rising again I’ll probably be more cautious again, as I was when this all kicked off.

@CaptainMonkey

Not talking about people who can't wear a mask. Talking about the tedious berks who won't wear one because freedom or whatever.

And of course you KNOW the difference

I do wear one when I am supposed to - and yes I do avoid those situations as far as possible - but I am not presuming to know why someone else doesn't - nor do I need to. It's not my business and any difference they make is mitigated by the fact that very few wear them properly. Never touching being the main thing

Brilliantly put french. I totally agree.

Also happy to distance but will not wear a mask. And before some idiot calls this selfish, I just shielded for 12 weeks to ‘save the nhs’, so sod off!

Yanbu those that can wear a mask absolutely should be wearing a mask in enclosed public places. No one likes wearing a mask you get used to it

Wearing a mask is a placebo 🙄 what a stupid excuse for being utterly selfish

@ilovesooty

are you admitting that you are beyond selfish for demanding something ridiculous - well good on you, I am glad you can see it.

@Frenchpastry you think we have time for childish blather? Wearing a mask won't stop you from dying in all circumstances just like wearing a seatbelt won't stop you from dying in all circumstances, but it will reduce transmission. If you're not willing to reduce transmission, open up your own damn shop/cafe/beach. Or stay at home bollocking on about your rights while the rest of us crack on with living. You're halting progress and we've got work to do

I wish all the people saying they don't like wearing a mask and deem them pointless and unnecessary would stop wearing them.

If the majority of people prefer not to wear them and they refused to do so the government would have to have a rethink as they do not have the resources to actually impose the fines. Imo wearing a mask should be personal choice.

@Frenchpastry

Particles of a virus spread via the respiratory tract will normally spread out in small concentrations and fall over a large area depending on the force behind their exit when a person breaths or speaks or eats etc. A mask ensures that some of those particles (not all by any stretch) gather and stay on the mask in one very high concentration. You cannot touch the mask at all, even slightly without coming into contact with an unnaturally high concentration of any virus that may be on there and then you spread that onto every other surface / person you come into contact with before you adequately sanitise your hands. So ask yourself honestly... Everyone who thinks the masks are going to save us all... Ask yourself honestly.... Do you never, ever touch your mask other than between taking it on and off and do you immediately sanitise your hands without touching another object or person every single time you so much as brush your finger against the mask? Do you wash the mask between every use? No matter how short that use? Do you change masks between uses if you are going in and out of different shops and taking it off between? Is every mask you wear fitted perfectly to you unique facial structure to ensure it fits well enough to work effectively? Do you always wear your mask perfectly? And now for the important bit because even if you answer yes honestly to all of that, do you think that every other person can also answer yes honestly to all of that? Because unless that is the case these masks do not protect us! All the evidence that supports the use of masks as a protective factor is based on people using masks perfectly! And we live in a shockingly imperfect world.

A few months ago it would have all gone the other way.

Slowly, slowly people are realising that most of the new rules are batshit and brought in because of some hysteria on social media.

We did our bit, the NHS wasn't overwhelmed and ever since then, despite things improving more and more, nonsensical rules are being put in place.

Luckily less and less are people believing that following the rules (as opposed to sensible hygiene) is what is helping.

Cool story bro.

@CaptainMonkey

How is what @Frenchpastry posted "childish blather"? She has a valid point.

"You're halting progress and we've got work to do" wtf?.

It's people like you who are obviously terrified of Covid who are halting progress. Maybe the likes of you should stay home in your safe bubble and allow others to live their lives without having to be constantly doused in ineffective sanitiser and wearing pointless bloody masks.

Ok then, to reframe: I think Frenchpastry should work on her mental fragility as it is obviously preventing her from properly participating in society as it is now rather than as she wishes it to be.

Was just having a little nosey at Spain.

Those mandated masks are doing a fantastic job over there. Back up to approximately 7000 cases a day.

Never mind. Mask up. We’ve got work to do

Yanbu, but this is exactly the narrative of the.anti-maskers,with their dramatics over wearing masks etc that it is a slight on their Freedoms, think that is bad I am sure that the people in Syria and Yemen can give much more insight to loss of freedoms and way of life - these people and the dramatics lacks perspective Imo.

Have you read the reasons why they believe there is an increase in Spain ?

It certainly doesn’t support your theory that masks are not necessary

@maddening

I don't think wearing a mask is a slight of my freedom, I just think it's fucking pointless, and uncomfortable. I'm well aware there are much worse sufferings endured, but that's completely irrelevant.

Have you considered counselling?

@CaptainMonkey

Is that aimed at me? If so, no. However I do feel like you could benefit from some to help allay your fears of being breathed upon by someone who might possibly have a virus that kills a very small percentage of under 65s.