AIBU to say that if you won't wear masks and/or keep distance from others in public spaces you should stay at home

[CaptainMonkey]

... and leave the rest of us to get on with the work of figuring out how to open up social spaces in a safe way without being distracted by your egocentric tedious freedom fighting? Why do you want to crowd people and breathe all over them anyway? If you don't want to be out and about without doing so, just stay at home. We've got enough to do right now and don't need your nonsense.

I’ve seen how ill some have become with covid with so called mild symptoms (no need for hospital admission)

Close friend was in intensive care and had a long road to full recovery

All still have ongoing health issues a few months on

All under 50 with no underlying health issues

I don’t live in fear but it’s something I certainly hope I never catch and never pass on

There is NO scientific evidence that masks work to stop the spread. In fact, they may AID the spread of the virus. NO, I will not stay home. If you think people are getting too close to you, online shop.

I'm perfectly happy. I just find it ridiculous (and annoying) that I can sit in a pub or restaurant for hours without a mask yet have to wear one to pop into a shop for 10 minutes.

I take it you're not eating out at all until you've been vaccinated?

They are not socially responsible norms. They are restrictions that will not be norms because there’s enough sane reasonable people out that that know this it’s all based on BULLSHIT.
If you can’t handle going out with people not adhering to this shit, you should stay home.

YABU.

People will do what they want.

You do what you want.

Nope
Refuse to wear a mask don't like it don't want to my baby hates it
We still go out everyday
We thank you for wearing one for us
😂😂

@CaptainMonkey

You're just being ridiculous and antagonistic.

Are you planning on not eating out, going to the pub, the gym or anywhere else where a mask isn't needed until you are vaccinated? Can you not see how stupid the current rules are?

The virus is still very new

It is agreed by many top scientists in the field of research into viruses that it is passed by respiratory droplets. Also almost all agree that is it highly likely and highly recommended that masks are worn to help prevent the spread of the virus (due to mask catching many of the droplet) along with regular hand washing and social distancing

To gain absolute scientific proof could take a long time. Or we can take the advice of top experts and also learn from how other countries managed to deal with another highly contagious viruses with a high death rate. And look to how compared to Europe (non mask wearing countries) they had lower numbers of people contracting covid and lower death rates

What advice are you taking ? Or just it’s not proven so I’m not bothering as I know better than to listen to experienced scientists

@aimzxd I hope you called the police to report the man for his murderous intentions.

@ItsAlwaysSunnyOnMN

Masks are only effective if worn and used correctly. I'm pretty certain that at least 60% of people aren't doing that.

Also, if they're so necessary why are they not required in pubs, restaurants etc? Oh yes, because that would be impossible to do and so they'd have had to remained closed and the economy would be decimated even more than it already is.

There is a world of difference between someone being maskless as they walk round Sainsbury's not talking to anyone and this from your OP Why do you want to crowd people and breathe all over them anyway?

I have seen quite a few people without masks. Today I went into the newsagents and bought a thing only realising as I left that I'd forgotten to put my mask on when I went in. I have seen nobody, nobody at all, crowd people and breathe all over them

Because the government also has to think
about the economy. Many are severing outside, tables further apart, staff wearing masks/face shield this all helps with slowing down the transmission and businesses still able to run

They may for some take time to wear effectively. Even if 40% of people are using masks effectively it lowers transmission

We are not going to reach zero transmission the aim is to slow it down

@Frenchpastry

Particles of a virus spread via the respiratory tract will normally spread out in small concentrations and fall over a large area depending on the force behind their exit when a person breaths or speaks or eats etc. A mask ensures that some of those particles (not all by any stretch) gather and stay on the mask in one very high concentration. You cannot touch the mask at all, even slightly without coming into contact with an unnaturally high concentration of any virus that may be on there and then you spread that onto every other surface / person you come into contact with before you adequately sanitise your hands. So ask yourself honestly... Everyone who thinks the masks are going to save us all... Ask yourself honestly.... Do you never, ever touch your mask other than between taking it on and off and do you immediately sanitise your hands without touching another object or person every single time you so much as brush your finger against the mask? Do you wash the mask between every use? No matter how short that use? Do you change masks between uses if you are going in and out of different shops and taking it off between? Is every mask you wear fitted perfectly to you unique facial structure to ensure it fits well enough to work effectively? Do you always wear your mask perfectly? And now for the important bit because even if you answer yes honestly to all of that, do you think that every other person can also answer yes honestly to all of that? Because unless that is the case these masks do not protect us! All the evidence that supports the use of masks as a protective factor is based on people using masks perfectly! And we live in a shockingly imperfect world.

Yes, I do use and wear my mask correctly. Wash or sanitise hands before putting it on. Nose clip shaped correctly. Once on it is not removed when travelling between shops and I don't touch the front of the mask. I frequently use hand sanitiser during my outings.

When I am finished shopping, the mask is carefully removed by the elastic only and disposed of. Hands then thoroughly washed, spectacles removed and washed and finally for good measure I wash my face (done at home of course)!

I get quite irritated by those people constantly touching the front of their masks, constantly taking them on and off, using them as chin warmers or those with their noses peaking out. Either wear them correctly or not at all. I can'tunderstand why the goverment won't have a TV campaign about the correct use of masks/face coverings to help with this issue.

Ah man, a government campaign about correct mask wearing would tip the anti mask snowflakes over the edge. Have a heart.

@CaptainMonkey

Ah man, a government campaign about correct mask wearing would tip the anti mask snowflakes over the edge. Have a heart.

😁😁😁

@CaptainMonkey

Ah man, a government campaign about correct mask wearing would tip the anti mask snowflakes over the edge. Have a heart.

So writes the person clearly half way over the edge already who started this snowflake thread panicking about some people socially distancing but not wearing masks.

Like somebody socially diatancing and having good hygeine but not wearing a mask must be making a huge fuck-you-all-I-need-freedom political statement and they all run around licking people's faces and purposely coughing on the elderly. Get a grip.

[quote RealityExistsInTheHumanMind]@ilovesooty

are you admitting that you are beyond selfish for demanding something ridiculous - well good on you, I am glad you can see it.[/quote]
You know perfectly well that's not what I meant.

@CaptainMonkey

Are you just ignoring my question re if you will not eat out etc until you have been vaccinated?

There's no need for a government ad campaign as the only reason they have enforced mask wearing is to make the likes of you feel safe enough to go out. They know they're pointless.

People who are concerned with loss of freedoms and may even be willing to push about it have a role. A lot of the rules being put in place around covid in many different countries include what are considered basic rights - the fundamental building blocks of liberal democracy. It should make us uncomfortable to suspend them, especially for un undesignated amount of time or until such a time as there is a vaccine - something which may never happen.

This suggestion that such people are just silly, don't want discomfort, are willing to sacrifice others for something that is a small effort is a manipulative narrative - a heck of a lot of people are being incredibly accepting and passive about the fact that they are being asked to suspend basic rights without a clear timeline. Weighing the consequences of that is not petty or thoughtless - there is a reason right to congregate, right of movement, are protected in the way that they are. Many public bodies aren't even meeting, or being open to public scrutiny in the normal way.

@ItsAlwaysSunnyOnMN

The virus is still very new

It is agreed by many top scientists in the field of research into viruses that it is passed by respiratory droplets. Also almost all agree that is it highly likely and highly recommended that masks are worn to help prevent the spread of the virus (due to mask catching many of the droplet) along with regular hand washing and social distancing

To gain absolute scientific proof could take a long time. Or we can take the advice of top experts and also learn from how other countries managed to deal with another highly contagious viruses with a high death rate. And look to how compared to Europe (non mask wearing countries) they had lower numbers of people contracting covid and lower death rates

What advice are you taking ? Or just it’s not proven so I’m not bothering as I know better than to listen to experienced scientists

I think most people would say this is not a crazy position. Masks may help, at least sometimes.

OTOH, it's also reasonable to look at how people actually use them, and think that in many places they may not make sense or be detrimental. It's one thing to use them in shops for a while, and ask people to use a clean one and refrain from touching them. Though passing someone in an aisle is not that risky even without a mask.

It's another thing when you are talking about people taking them off and on through the day, in a workplace or school, where it is very likely that they will not manage to never touch their face or wash hands constantly, where the mask is going to be quite wet even if they change it three or four times a day. People wearing masks tend to touch them more in those situations, and more than if they wore nothing. And they will be touching more things and communal things with their hands in an office than in a grocery store or shop where people mostly only touch what they buy.

Some of the mask question seems to come out of the liability approach - governments and employers are looking to show they are doing all that can be done. Even when that may not be very effective. That approach can end up with ass-backwards outcomes - like where you have doctors performing c-sections because they are afraid of being sued if they don't, because the courts usually want to see evidence that you took action. Even though we know that high c-section rates are really a higher risk to mothers.

I don’t have to wear a mask so i dont.

Jesus, I am always shocked by how many arseholes there are here.

Where are all these hordes of alleged anti-mask libertarians hiding out, because it certainly isn't anywhere within an hour's drive of where I live? In fact compliance is so completely universal here that people with legitimate exemptions must be just staying at home, which is sad & worrying & reflects poorly on the self-appointed mask police