To wonder if you know that the meat you buy could have been raised in a factory farm...

[MsWonderful]

And that the animals could also have been subjected to horrific cruelty even if the farm is Red Tractor approved?
www.daventry.radio/daventry-farm-suspended-from-red-tractor-scheme-amid-animal-welfare-concerns/

What are you aiming for with this thread? To make those on lower incomes, who cannot afford organic meat and shouldn't be forced into an alternative diet due to this, feel bad about themselves? Yes, factory farmed meat is shit. Don't make people feel bad about their choices.

Isn't the point of the OP that people are buying meat thinking it has assured standards & it doesn't?

No, I’m aiming to inform consumers of where their money might be going, whether they’re on low incomes or not.

What’s your definition of a “factory farm”? What’s so bad with “factory farming?” It’s such an emotive meaningless term.

That particular farm was assured and they have now had their license suspended and will no doubt be subject to investigation and prosecution.

Much as someone abusing a pet would be, should we get rid of all pets or punish bad owners?

I think the truth is sadly most people just don't care.

Yes, the point is that people are being ripped off and not getting what they think they’re getting.

Think many consumers are well aware animals are treated badly, but we prioritise price.

@Settleandcalm

What’s your definition of a “factory farm”? What’s so bad with “factory farming?” It’s such an emotive meaningless term.

That particular farm was assured and they have now had their license suspended and will no doubt be subject to investigation and prosecution.

Much as someone abusing a pet would be, should we get rid of all pets or punish bad owners?

The definition of a factory farm in this case is no outside grazing and concrete floors. It says in the article I think? It sounds pretty unpleasant for the cows, even without having buckets thrown at their heads by the workers.

Price/convenience.

I don't eat meat.

People will be hostile / defensive OP, but in reality I would expect anyone with half a heart to be really upset to find out about active cruelty and abuse on farms where their meat is from.

@Dozer

Think many consumers are well aware animals are treated badly, but we prioritise price.

I wonder if the realise quite how badly though?

If people THINK they're paying for humanely raised and humanely killed then they may be very upset to hear that

Good on you OP for posting that

@LaurieFairyCake

If people THINK they're paying for humanely raised and humanely killed then they may be very upset to hear that

Good on you OP for posting that

Thank you! I hope people will care

Think many consumers are well aware animals are treated badly, but we prioritise price.

Perhaps naively I would expect meat I buy in Tesco's or similar to not come from somewhere that beats & abuses their animals.

Well most meat I eat has existed solely in the first place purely to be eaten, has then been killed, cooked and eaten. It's a bit hypocritical to then get uppity about how said animal has been treated prior to ending up on my plate.

I probably aren't as I buy organic meat.

It's a bit hypocritical to then get uppity about how said animal has been treated prior to ending up on my plate.

Surely you would rather the animals you eat not to have been abused while alive...?

It's a bit hypocritical to then get uppity about how said animal has been treated prior to ending up on my plate.

Really? I like meat although don't eat much red meat but I would prefer the animals I eat in the least have a nice life before they end up on my plate. I do tend to buy organic but it's not always possible.

The point is that this company has had it's Red Tractor taken away and lost major contracts because this is not acceptable and we do not tolerate cruelty.

Yes I'm well aware of that.

@Fatted

Well most meat I eat has existed solely in the first place purely to be eaten, has then been killed, cooked and eaten. It's a bit hypocritical to then get uppity about how said animal has been treated prior to ending up on my plate.

Are you serious??

So it's fine for an animal to be abused all its life because it's going to end up
On your plate anyway?

There is nothing inherently wrong with a fully housed farm with no access to outdoor grazing from a welfare point of view IF it’s a good farm, with good bedding, high standards, plenty of space and feed and care And the ability of the animal to display natural behaviour patterns. We lay our own standards on animals, rather than listen to the actual science of welfare.

Those cows labelled “free range” may have to stay out in the rain/sun/cold that they would rather be out of, just because we think they “should” be.

The issue with this farm is that it breached those standards and they shouldn’t be farming.

Which they won’t be unless they can get that licence back because not one retailer will touch them without one.

So the law worked?

@pollypi

It's a bit hypocritical to then get uppity about how said animal has been treated prior to ending up on my plate.

Really? I like meat although don't eat much red meat but I would prefer the animals I eat in the least have a nice life before they end up on my plate. I do tend to buy organic but it's not always possible.

Yy I think most people would like to think that the animals they eat have been treated well whilst alive. Unfortunately there have been several cases in the U.K. this year of farms treating animals really badly. St. Helens goats being one, and this pig farm too which was also Red Tractor approved www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2020/01/16/secret-camera-films-starving-pigs-eating-alive-12068676/amp/

Those cows labelled “free range” may have to stay out in the rain/sun/cold that they would rather be out of, just because we think they “should” be
It must be possible to farm cows and allow them to go inside and outside though? It’s not either inside in concrete sheds or outside at all times?