To say that if you are quite covid risk adverse there are some places it’s best not to go

[Scentsandsensible]

Inspired by a few threads and personal experience.

I’m not saying stay at home and be isolated BUT... if you’re someone who is going to have a panic attack if someone gets within a metre it’s probably best to avoid

• busy shopping centres
• theme parks
• pubs

-restaurants

• busy hotels

I do get that this may sound unfair - but it’s the reality. If you feel vulnerable these probably aren’t the best places to go.

@Bagatelle1 no I’m saying that if you are a high risk - or are potentially worried about risk - why go to some of the riskiest places that aren’t in any way essential.

I just think some zoos and most theme parks might be staggering arrival times but there doesn't seem much limit on numbers. My local zoo is as busy as it is ever was and it's quite impossible to socially distanced at certain points.

@MaveyWavey

Completely disagree. People should just bloody stick to the rules. 2metres. If not possible then 1 metre with extra precautions. Anyone who doesn’t follow these guidelines is frankly a selfish arsehole and they are the ones who should be staying at home. I bloody despair with the selfish, entiled people in this country. And when it all goes to shit in the winter, they will all be the first to blame the government or others, when its them whi cannot or will not follow simple bloody rules. Absolutely gives me the rage

What did you do before all this came along?

It must be awful to go through life so upset all the time.

What a sad way to go through life, always seeing the worst in everyone.

Completely disagree. People should just bloody stick to the rules. 2metres. If not possible then 1 metre with extra precautions. Anyone who doesn’t follow these guidelines is frankly a selfish arsehole and they are the ones who should be staying at home. I bloody despair with the selfish, entiled people in this country

So what happens if eg you are on path which isn't 2m wide but you are terrified of catching it? Everyone else has to stop using the said path because you insist it's your right?

Some people are genuinely vulnerable (but then they are vulnerable to other things too, not just covid), most people going on about the 2m are just being silly about things.

Because if people followed the rules it should be safe.

I checked the safety measures put in place at our local pub (1 way system, hand sanitiser, screens, staff temperature checked and wearing masks) and decided I was comfortable with that.

Arrived, and a big group of customers decided to ignore the 1 way system and screens as it was a short cut to the toilet, so constantly brushed past our table breathing all over us.

Your OP suggests I should stay at home. I suggest that the selfish f*ckers who refused to follow the rules should stay at home.

@CaptainMonkey

Well "before all this came along" we didn't have to worry about it. What a fucking moronic attitude. "Mmmhhh yeah well, before the bubonic plague came along there were loads of rats. Bet you didn't worry about them then DID YOU, you fucking histrionic change with the wind tilting BASTARD".

JFC! Wind your neck in! This isn't Bubonic Plague.

What's really pandemic is how intrinsically miserable, bitter, angry and spiteful so many people are.

Btw, there is still Bubonic Plague. In fact, someone in the US died from it earlier this month. He got it from a squirrel.

What a waste of energy, going round pissed off at everyone and assuming the worst of everyone around you.

I have hardly been anywhere. I have asthma and an erratic immune system. I am lucky because I have a garden and live in a village in the country so I have five different walks I can do. I have been busy in the garden and I have completed tasks that needed doing. Things like staining my front door, painting a new door, painting stain on the shed, painting another shed door and the list goes on. I have grown some vegetables and fruit made jam, cakes etc.
My husband has done most of the shopping but if he hadn’t been here I could have asked for help as we have a village website. You could put out a request and someone would answer.
I have been out to the chemist today. They are operating a limited number in and yet people come in move in front of you even though the floor is marked. I don’t understand why people can’t follow the rules. The assistant was quick to ask two people to wait outside. She asked so cheerily and politely and they did follow but were muttering and complaining as I went out. A man tried to barge past rather than wait his turn and a woman tried to overtake me yet it was marked clearly where to stand. Why?
It makes me feel anxious. I have no desire to go to a cafe, pub or theme park. I have several friends that are doing the same and are walking early to avoid others. I agree with the idea that they need to keep themselves safe. People in our village spoke to each other more in lockdown and we have only lost one person who was ill in hospital. It was sad not to go to his funeral as he was a well known and well liked man.

Because if people followed the rules it should be safe.

No, it wouldn't. It's never been 'safe'. The air has always been full of flying glass.

People spread disease.

This virus is going nowhere anytime soon.

@Bagatelle1 well you’re obviously happier with risk tha. I am. I personally wouldn’t sit inside a pub- have been but only outside and only once.
Not taking into account what ither customers might do is the equivalent of thinking “a beach is a nice open space on this sunny day” and not considering that 200 other people might think the same.

@InDeoEstMeaFiducia
Yeah yeah, the problem isn't with the people following the rules in place for public safety, it's with the people flouting them. Just do what you're asked to do and stop being boring. None of us have time to listen to your tedious personal objections. It saves us a whole lot of effort and we can get on with stuff. You're holding us up.

@SomewhereEast

Basically social distancing is too contrary to human nature to sustain longterm. It just is. We're seeing every country struggle with this right now. I don't have any easy answers, but expecting whole societies to do the impossible isn't a good foundation for public health. Its about as realistic as Prohibition back in the 20s or abstinence only sex education.

I think this is totally the issue.

What's interesting to me is that as I understand it, public health authorities know quite well that populations only sustain these kinds of measures for a limited time. And at the beginning of the pandemic they seemed aware of it. Now they seem to have forgotten.

It was a big part of the decision the Swedes made to avoid measures that could not work long term.

@ InDeoEstMeaFiducia

Must be awful to go through life so upset all the time.

Must be awful to go through life so smug and emotionally tone deaf.

I'm not hankering after Sweden's death toll tbh.

I have been to theme parks and the first time we visited Chessington for a Zoo day it was lovely not many people and easy to social distance. The second time we visited it was harder but just about manageable. The third time they had increased the numbers up again another 2000 people allowed and the number of people with the space it was next to impossible to even try to do 2m SD.

The same is now true for walking in busy areas - we were in a market town on Saturday and whereas during lockdown roads were quiet enough to walk on it isnt true anymore.

We were on holiday and we tried as much as we could to SD in the hotel and restaurants but it can be tricky given the space and number of people

[quote CaptainMonkey]@InDeoEstMeaFiducia
Yeah yeah, the problem isn't with the people following the rules in place for public safety, it's with the people flouting them. Just do what you're asked to do and stop being boring. None of us have time to listen to your tedious personal objections. It saves us a whole lot of effort and we can get on with stuff. You're holding us up.[/quote]
PMSL! Huge assumptions there. Seems to go with a particularly rabid Covid sort. Holding you up from whipping yourself into a frenzy at everyone? Knock yourself out if that's how you want to spend your energy, angry and tense. Waste of time, IMO, people will do whatever they want most of the time anyhow.

@Bagatelle1

@ InDeoEstMeaFiducia

Must be awful to go through life so upset all the time.

Must be awful to go through life so smug and emotionally tone deaf.

Nah, it's blissful, actually, not enraged over people not doing what I want or even really thinking of them.

Basically social distancing is too contrary to human nature to sustain longterm. It just is.

This. It won't work long term. It just won't. You can get as furious as you want or even try to ban it, outlaw it, whatever (it's all already been tried) - it doesn't work.

@InDeoEstMeaFiducia you really really don't sound chilled.

I just got home from a long day at the hospital for tests to track the stage 4 cancer I’ve got. People behaved appallingly in the main reception area and the lift area, pushing past so close they physically touched my skin, which takes effort as I’m in a wheelchair. But hey. It’s more important to jump the queue and get into an already occupied lift, or to hang around aimlessly right next to the carefully spaced out transport chairs.

I get that hospitals can be busy places, but today people were being selfish and it was awful because I didnt have a choice, not like the adult family groups of supporters who were causing the traffic... unless your saying that not only that I have to avoid spending precious time with my little boy having fun outside, times that won’t come again, that won’t wait until a year or two down the line... but now I have to give up medical care?

I shouldn’t have opened this thread.

We’re all in this together... except for the people who aren’t, right?

Isn’t it a two way street? If people want to stay 2m away from others at all times then surely they can wherever they are? You’re in a theme park and someone comes within 2m of you then move back... surely. If you get seated at a table in a restaurant where people are going to walk past constantly less than 2m then go to a different restaurant or ask for a different table. Personal responsibility. I’ve got a season ticket at a theme park so have been a few times and on a couple occasions I’ve felt people are too close so I just back off a bit (without screaming and shouting).

[quote CaptainMonkey]@InDeoEstMeaFiducia you really really don't sound chilled.[/quote]
I had no idea you were a telepath, too. Handy! Sorry if I fail to suit your agenda that everyone is as worked up at everyone as you. I've got one eye on 'Blood of the Clans' just now. It's really interesting. Simon Fraser was one nasty piece of work.

Well, this pandemic has just shown what a shower of selfish cunts people in this country really are.

I love the cba lot harping on about other people wanting masks and social distancing.

I get it. You, personally, are invincible and don’t care for elderly relative or vulnerable people. What do you want? A round of applause?

I am fucking done with people at the moment. Bunch of bastards.

And people who shit camp can get in the bin with all the other wankers.

Also, people who call women ‘Karen’ and people who think it is their god given right to park over my driveway. Wankers.

@InDeoEstMeaFiducia

Basically social distancing is too contrary to human nature to sustain longterm. It just is.

This. It won't work long term. It just won't. You can get as furious as you want or even try to ban it, outlaw it, whatever (it's all already been tried) - it doesn't work.

Really shit, but no less true for it.