To say that if you are quite covid risk adverse there are some places it’s best not to go

[Scentsandsensible]

Inspired by a few threads and personal experience.

I’m not saying stay at home and be isolated BUT... if you’re someone who is going to have a panic attack if someone gets within a metre it’s probably best to avoid

• busy shopping centres
• theme parks
• pubs

-restaurants

• busy hotels

I do get that this may sound unfair - but it’s the reality. If you feel vulnerable these probably aren’t the best places to go.

@PiataMaiNei No, I'm talking about people like the op who clearly can't be fucked with making the miniscule fucking effort it takes to stand a little bit further away from people who they don't know, when doing so would have no impact on their lives whatsoever, in some unhinged expression of "freedom".

YANBU

I'm high risk so am protecting myself by avoiding all places where my safety is reliant on other people.

@iVampire read my posts - not what I’ve said at all.

So no, you “haven’t got this clear”

It's like those who state that they are "shielding" like they're some higher level of human being

What the actual FUCK?! If we’ve been put on the Shielding list it’s because we’ve got a serious illness which means we are more likely to be placed on a ventilator and at greater risk of death.

You can happily take my heart condition and autoimmune disease from me, I never wanted them, it’s robbed me of years of a normal life from childhood.

You are a disgusting human being @LizaBennett70

I think I've been lucky because the few bars and restaurants I've been in have felt perfectly safe to me I've not been to a theme park (and wouldn't anyway ) but have been to zoo and pier at holiday resort and although people were closer than 2m distance I felt safe because I was outside .

Not sure what I'm trying to say here apart from the fact that if everyone did follow the rules then most places ought to feel safe . I thought that I was fairly risk averse but it seems that I have felt comfortable to do a lot more than many other people I know.

Yea I saw a woman have a melt down in a charity shop over how busy it was. Flapping her arms around and left. Seemed ott to me but I don't know her health, mental health ext. I'm just thankful I'm not that anxious over it

@CaptainMonkey erm why do you think I’m not social distancing? I am - I’ve clearly said I’ve avoided most of the places on my list.

I wear a mask in all indoor public spaces, I’ve avoided crowded spaces etc. My point is - when I have chosen to go to one (once to a hotel and once to a pub) I made my own assessment and decided I was happy with it.

@iVampire - no but, if we are going to be strict about social distancing long term, then many activities and locations will have to be kept shut.

We had legoland booked for this summer and decided to still go as it was open. We discussed before going that it was unlikely to be with good social distancing, and we were right. Theme parks can't really do it. So if you go to one, do so accepting you will not be able to stay 2m from others, with everything cleaned between each use.

You can argue its unfair to say the vunerable can't do these things, but if they can't physically be easily adapted, then the alternative is to say noone gets to do it.

@hopefulhalf

We tried Hollywood bowl once and won't be going back. Us too it's quite sad cos DS loves bowling and I thought it could have been done so much better

Can you tell me what did and didn't feel safe about Hollywood Bowl please as we are planning to go soon. Obviously the one near you may be different to mine , but given two posters have concerns ......

[quote CaptainMonkey]@PiataMaiNei No, I'm talking about people like the op who clearly can't be fucked with making the miniscule fucking effort it takes to stand a little bit further away from people who they don't know, when doing so would have no impact on their lives whatsoever, in some unhinged expression of "freedom".[/quote]
Then it wasn't a great idea to define the cohort you're talking about as 'anyone who is incapable of following the guidance'.

The problem with all this 'should' and 'shouldn't' is that it doesn't change things.

There have always been selfish people. There have always been people who think they know best. There always will be. That's life. It sucks. You can ask them politely to change what they are doing and hope they co-operate.

And there are a number of people who've gone the other way and make up all sorts of rules and expect people to know what they are and obey them. And they're annoying, too, specially when it becomes clear that they have nothing to lose by living in a way that other people find really hard.

But ranting on on thread after thread on the internet about how well you're obeying the guidelines and how people who don't shouldn't do this and that, and how unfair it is, won't change anything. The only thing you can do is alter your behaviour. And dream of shooting them

This is like saying if you want people to drive safely you should stay off the road.

@LizaBennett70

People like to feel self important and that they're following the "rules".

It's like those who state that they are "shielding" like they're some higher level of human being.

Also know as "Covid Top Trumps".

Oh that's a special post.

Am sure my friends who are shielding look right down on me for having no underlying health conditions

Covid top trumps my arse.

YANBU. I'm risk averse and don't like crowds at the best of times, so I'm avoiding those places. I am careful to SD when out on my daily walk, and find that most other people do likewise, but there are always a few people who ignore guidelines (mostly teenagers).

We are in a strange phase at the moment, where case rates are slowly rising, but death rates continue to be low. Maybe this is because many elderly/vulnerable people died from covid in the early stage of the pandemic, but now there are fewer of them for the virus to infect. Anyway, it's no time for complacency, and while teenagers might feel invincible, it's wise to be cautious, because apart from killing people, this virus can also cause long term health problems for those who survive it. I know many people are bored and restless after lockdown, and want to let off steam a bit, but I'm happy to leave them to it, while I live a quiet life for a while longer. Stay safe everyone, we're not out of the woods yet.

You should stay 2m apart if possible and 1m with a mask if not. Nobody should need to stay home.

@LizaBennett70

People like to feel self important and that they're following the "rules".

It's like those who state that they are "shielding" like they're some higher level of human being.

Also know as "Covid Top Trumps".

Tell you what, you have my son's CLD, acute cyanosis and occluded SVC, I'll happily sack off shielding and go hug some strangers

We went to the zoo the first weekend day it opened. Some busybody woman told us off for going round the wrong way - except we weren't as were following the zoo staff members instructions. My friends told her that actually we were going the right way and she stomped off muttering "this time" and explaining to her long suffering friend that this was exactly why she wasn't going to the shops .

I get that some people are very nervous about going out and about and that's totally understandable. But if that's you then surely avoiding the opening weekend of the zoo would be the sensible option.

I think the opposite of the OP. I think the Mask Refusers and SD deniers should stay indoors and leave the rest of society to go out and about in peace. And for the immuno suppressed and vulnerable etc to be feee and comfortable to go out and about

People like to feel self important and that they're following the "rules".

And others like to think they are so special and individual and that the rules don’t apply to them

I am not sure whether people should stay away from those places if they think they are going to panic during or after the visit.

But if people do go to those places, they don't forfeit the right to complain about people ignoring the guidance. Many people who wouldn't panic if someone ignored guidance would still be justifiably unimpressed.

Quite apart from the health risks, presumably if you are going to these places it is because you enjoy them, and if people can't follow guidance they won't stay open long.

Most of the vulnerable group have to go to work. The ones who work in these places don’t have a choice to stay home.

Should you not be shielding yourself so soon after the lobotomy @LizaBennett70?

@Aridane

I think the opposite of the OP. I think the Mask Refusers and SD deniers should stay indoors and leave the rest of society to go out and about in peace. And for the immuno suppressed and vulnerable etc to be feee and comfortable to go out and about

Where do people who just aren't capable of fully understanding and consistently practicing SD fit into this picture? Adults with dementia, limited cognitive functioning, that type of thing.

Agreed. And the people who are super averse arent dont seem to be the ones who are even at higher risk. My grandads in his late 80s and has ploughed on as normal, thinks we're all ridiculous leaping out the way of one another and less fuss was made of the blitz. If you only have to walk past someone to catch covid literally everyone would have it by now ffs.

Unfortunately @lizabennett70 is typical of people who are completely lacking in empathy, compassion, consideration and basic manners.