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MIL feels attacked

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Rennlau · 24/08/2020 15:11

My OH and I are in a bit of predicament with my OH's mum/my MIL.

I could go on and on in regard to backstory, but I'll try and keep it brief and then on to the most recent issues.

Our DS is 6m old, he is our first and was born 6 weeks before lockdown, we have been getting pressured by MIL since I was a few days postpartum to have him overnight, this has not and will not be happening anytime soon, covid or not, but I was pretty distressed by her doing this when I had only had him days earlier and was just getting to know him aswell as myself in my new role as a mother ~BUT~ I did not assert myself and just kinda white-noised her then cried once she had left. She has not let the issue of having DS overnight or on her own (what is the obsession of separating mother from child?) even though this isn't an option due to covid and also neither my ds or I are ready for that. She is also pretty relentless telling us what to do and trying to get us to raise our DS the way she did my OH again white-noise, smile and nod. My partner and I are very much on the same page and have been trying to be as diplomatic as possible whilst walking on eggshells so as not to rock the boat - his parents are the only grandparents and we have both not wanted to do anything that could result in our son being isolated from them, but his mum is incredibly domineering and can be volatile.

In regard to lockdown it actually done my partner and I a world of good in the sense of allowing us some distance, relieving us of MIL pressure. We have become a pretty solid and harmonious family unit and have really got to find our feet as parents, we know how we wish to raise our son and even though he is a lockdown baby he is a pretty self assured and confident baby.

As lockdown rules have began to ease, my MIL has been able to now visit our DS and to hold him (she requested to see him in person countless times during lockdown, but had not been socially distancing so we did not want to risk it) and this is where things have went awry. She put my child's hand in her mouth, like full on in her mouth. It was just her and I in the room when she done it the first time, I was totally aghast and taken disgusted, regardless if there was a pandemic going on or not, I am not okay with her doing this. I have struggled to assert myself with MIL, but thankfully in this instance my motherly instincts took over and I told her to stop and I then took DS to washed his hands, I thought that would be that. It wasn't she has done it a further three times, the second time was the next time she visited and she done it when I left the room in front of my OH who had the same reaction as had previously. The final time she did it we were in her shop and in front of one of her employees, I instinctively said no hands in mouths and my partner took DS away to wash his hands. This was also the same day she allowed said employee to touch my DS's face and then asked if she would like to hold my son!! Again, my partner was not present (in bathroom) and I had to pipe up and say no, my MIL then started laughing. To clarify, covid is not the sole reason I am uncomfortable with having my son passed around. My oh and I both feel it's important to respect his personal space/autonomy and to teach consent as second nature, but I didn't feel that that was the time or place to get into it, however we have tried to be as informative as possible prior to this instance (whilst walking on eggshells) about our parenting style/choices while giving some grace for people (MIL) to acclimate, she has ignored everything to date.

After the last incident, my partner I decided our eggshell tactic was not working and we had to advocate for DS and set some clear boundaries. We decided to start with one boundary at a time and address what happened with DS's personal space, then if/when she oversteps other boundaries in the future clearly address it then and there rather than rehash/bring up everything in a one(y). I should probably note my MIL has zero regard for anyone's boundaries and it's something my OH has struggled with inti adulthood.

MIL visited us last Sunday and nearing the end of the visit we brought up what happened when I stopped her employee from holding my son, we explained it was not covid alone that prevented this from happening that we were not okay with our DS being passed around in any circumstances and tried to explain why, we were sensitive about our wording to make sure she did not feel attacked. To put it simply she went off her head. She began by being very patronising, tried to turn it around on me (just me) and then began yelling (at me) but I'm front of DS (OH and I have never yelled in front of him) so I finally asserted myself and told her to either stop yelling in front of my child or she had leave my home, my partner also stepped in and she left, yelling as she went.

She messaged my partner a couple of days later saying I attacked her, he defended me, reiterating the situation and I think gave her some home truths which probably didn't help, but on the other hand was probably needed. We have heard nothing since and honestly I have no desire to see or speak to her, but worry I am doing a disservice to my son, but don't know what to do if she won't respect us or our wishes as his parents, I fell that would be a bigger disservice to DS? I also have zero desire to come between my partner and his mother and I have told him that.

The worst part is, if she has an issue with us, which now does then she will go out her way for the full family to also have an issue.

I really don't know what to do going forward.

OP posts:
VillanellesOrangeCoat · 24/08/2020 17:38

@Rennlau

She is currently not on speaking terms with her other DIL, but unsure of the reason why.

Lol I think we could take a guess!
You do you, OP. No one is a perfect parent & you have to decide what’s best for your baby.
Totally with you regarding putting baby’s hand in her mouth. Minging!

lunar1 · 24/08/2020 17:41

I was with you until you started talking about your baby giving consent. I wouldn't have randoms holding my baby during a pandemic either.

How do you know he wants you to pick him up, maybe it's only because you have conditioned him to know he has to put up with you in order to be fed. Perhaps he feels coerced into 'performing' for you as a means to an end.

Nobody should hold him until he is old enough to give informed consent after analysing all the options without bias.

Fuck knows how you justify changing his nappy or bathing him!

Generally if a baby isn't happy with someone or something they cry and you take them back.

GhostCurry · 24/08/2020 17:42

“Sorry I couldnt get past teaching a 6 month old autonomy and consent Confused

Yeah... what a terrible thing to try and teach people. Hmm Jesus Christ, some of the posters on here.

OP, YANBU, but I agree with the comment from rvby here on page 6. Stop explaining. You will come across badly.

I actually say this as someone who used some of the concepts of RIE myself. I recognised it from your very first post. The thing is you can’t take it as far as the books recommend. You will drive yourself mad (and the people around you). I used to let my pfb know when I was going to pick up, BUT I drew the line at droning on about how we were crossing the road, each and every time, to reach road safely.

Realise that you will sound mad to other people, and moderate accordingly.

GhostCurry · 24/08/2020 17:43

Also - agree with a PP that you mean Grey Rock, not White Noise.

rvby · 24/08/2020 17:44

[quote Rennlau]@rvby do you know me personally? Honestly, this might be the best advice I've ever been given nevermind on this thread - thank you!![/quote]
My dear, I have to tell you I saw so much of my younger self in your OP, we are probably quite similar. Someone gave me the advice I gave you many years ago - I am just passing it on to you because it certainly changed my life for the better.

Lots of love to you, you will get the hang of all this, just give yourself some time to experiment and make mistakes. It will all come out in the wash.

PuzzlingPieces · 24/08/2020 17:52

Totally agree with the hand sucking thing (I had this situation with a grandparent and it creeped me out and this wasn't even pandemic) but the "autonomy" point for a 6 month old is a bit far fetched.... you don't need to strangers explanations as to why you don't want people holding your baby, it's your rules, but making it about autonomy undermines you I feel and is very PFB. Are you going to respect his autonomy age 2 when he wants to run in to traffic?

I would stick to your boundaries but stop with the lengthy and dramatic explanations. You'll exhaust yourselves. Your rules and boundaries are what they are and that's final, stop the discourse.

oliveaddict · 24/08/2020 17:53

You don't sound mad to me - I completely agree with you and you need to nip this in the bud now and establish boundaries while the baby is small.

Once you give ground, you never get it back so best to start as you mean to go on! If she wants a relationship with your baby she will behave respectfully.

If not, it won't do him any harm not to see her for a while. I never had grandparents and never felt hard done by. It's a beautiful thing when it's a positive relationship but I see so many posts on here about years and years of difficult situations and just think why bother?

Nottherealslimshady · 24/08/2020 17:57

I dont think goure being unreasonable at all. O dont like babies being passed around like a toy everyone gets a turn with. Wtf is she putting a babies hand in her mouth for?! How weird!

Rennlau · 24/08/2020 17:58

@Wnikat lol, who said he wasn't exposed to germs? There are plenty of germs to be exposed to without having to put a baby's hand in someone's manky mouth, if this was a good way to build immune systems we all be doing it. He's exposed to plenty of germs without this having to be done.

But if you enjoy sticking your hand in someone's gub, by all means do you.

OP posts:
Rennlau · 24/08/2020 18:06

@GhostCurry no, I literally pretend to hear white noise to zone her out.

OP posts:
Nanny0gg · 24/08/2020 18:08

I understand the not letting anyone hold him because of covid, but otherwise batshit

If he doesn't get used to other people you'll have a nightmare when he's older. That doesn't mean pass the parcel either

londonscalling · 24/08/2020 18:10

I don't think you should put a baby's hand in an adult's mouth during coronavirus. However, that would be my only reason. You all need to chill out a bit (a lot)!

londonscalling · 24/08/2020 18:12

... and your baby shouldn't be passed to someone else during coronavirus.

Nanny0gg · 24/08/2020 18:14

Oh, and regarding the overnights.

No. No way. When you ask her and not before

Nanny0gg · 24/08/2020 18:16

@Lockdownseperation

OP I’ve only read the first page of comments and all your replies. MN is an odd place. Normally whatever the first person replies dictates the tone of a thread. If the first replier was supportive of you I think the whole thread would be different.

You sound entirely reasonable except for the white noise response. If you want your child to have good boundaries then you need to model that. Mine your inner tiger Mum and enforce your boundaries.

yes. Because no-one on MN can think for themselves...
Onesipmore · 24/08/2020 18:16

“Sorry I couldnt get past teaching a 6 month old autonomy and consent confused”

Yeah... what a terrible thing to try and teach people. hmm Jesus Christ, some of the posters on here.
Of course its not a bad thing to be taught autonomy and consent, it's just bonkers to think that a 6 month old baby can be taught that !! Also I know you can't envisage you baby staying elsewhere for the night, but their may come a time when you and dh want a night to yourselves in the future. Not now, but then x

Rennlau · 24/08/2020 18:21

@mbosnz just wanted to say your reasoning and back ground is very similar to mine, the explanation you @Iwasoncebrownie very much helped me feel a bit better for doing the same thing currently. I have instincts of what to do, but often second guess myself and just need some confirmation I'm on the right track and other times I'm at a bit of a loss, but don't have another woman I feel comfortable with to seek advice from so I reach for a book or the internet. Your response made me feel less like a nut job, thank you. It's hard trying to do things differently from what you were taught.

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iano · 24/08/2020 18:22

You do you op. She's totally unreasonable putting your babies hand in her mouth. Weird!
I like some of the ideas of RIE but find it a bit unrealistic in practice especially with two. I'd be interested to know if you've found an active RIE community in the uk.

OnceUponATimeInHollywood · 24/08/2020 18:23

It sounds like you have separation anxiety from your son, which probably stems from her wanting to take your son when he was a newborn. How do you think babies build up their immune systems? If you don't allow them to be babies, have things in their mouths or even be held by others, they won't be able to build up an immunity against germs!

ttigerlilly · 24/08/2020 18:26

Some people on here can be so venomous. Nobody has the right to call you "bat shit" or similar when it concerns your parenting decisions - providing they are safe (which, for the record, I think are totally understandable given you've had your first baby during a global pandemic).

It's funny how whenever someone makes a thread about their MIL overstepping boundaries people immediately call the mother "precious" or say "you clearly just don't like her". Quite funny really.

You do you OP, fuck anyone else. Why did she have to stick your babies hand in her mouth anyway?! Weird.

Rennlau · 24/08/2020 18:29

@Nanny0gg I didn't say that no one was to ever hold him or that I wanted that, he has been held by others, held by some random stranger - no, not comfortable with that covid or not.

I'd say it's a bit more bats shit to happily have a stranger hold your baby.

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mbosnz · 24/08/2020 18:35

Have faith in your motivations. You have a deep love of your child, you have humility that you don't have all the answers, you have the ability to research. If something works for you and your child is clearly thriving, then keep on with it. If something you're doing doesn't feel right, chuck it out, try something different.

You don't have to rigidly adhere to any one philosophy, it's pick and mix, and try before you buy!

You also have a very supportive DH, which is a prize beyond gold. Grandparents are an agreeable luxury, I always say. If they're disagreeable, they're not a necessity! (Sorry to all the wonderful grandparents on here, this is no insult meant to you. Sadly not all grandparents are wonderful.)

billy1966 · 24/08/2020 18:35

Such nastiness towards a young mother trying to find her way.

OP, once you and the baby's father are on the same page, that is all you have to care about.
Your child is NOT a toy that people get to have a go off.

What's so wrong with allowing a baby choose who it wishes to go to via their response when arms are held out to them......heaven forbid we be guilded by a baby's signals of comfort.

4 well adjusted kids here, we must have done something right.

Imapotato · 24/08/2020 18:42

Ok, so I agree that he is a bit young for over nighters and given the pandemic your probably best not letting her put his hand in her mouth.

However you do sound super precious and PFB.

I think you need to lay down your rules to MIL in as far as no staying over night until he is X age and in view of the pandemic please don’t eat his hand. Then you need to take a massive chill pill and don’t stress about someone (who I’m assuming is a clean and normal person) holding your baby.

AintOverUntilTheCatLadySings · 24/08/2020 18:44

All the people calling you 'bonkers' - did they have their first child during a pandemic?! Or is it that, more likely, that they have several children out of the baby stage and have forgotten what having a pfb was like. New parents are ALLOWED to be precious - especially when there's a scary new virus about and we've all been asked to avoid close contact and social distance.

Your MIL shouldn't have shouted at you, kept putting you baby's hand in her mouth when you clearly didn't like it, or offered strangers a hold of your baby during a global pandemic.

It's so weird that she did each of these things more than once - you'd think that she would have felt embarrassed after you told her not to the first time.

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