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Is my mum being unfair giving cash for university for grandchildren but not the others

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Valerievalerie · 24/08/2020 07:08

My parents have 9 GC , half of them very high achievers, we are talking all A* , oxbridge standard

They all started going to uni last year . Mum told me that she had given a sum to my nephew as it is nice to have some money when away . First of all it is important to say that I’m absolutely not the type of person who keeps a tally and I indeed agree that it’s lovely to have a bit extra .

Now I have 3 daughters , all similar ages to my sisters children who have not gone to university, there are various mild SEN , and they just aren’t academic, The most academic out the 3 still failed half their GCSEs and has now told me that they don’t want to go to college or Uni .

Sisters second child is about to go off in September and my other sister also has a son going next year , so mum is telling me that they will need to give them the same .
Now because my oldest DD was 21 recently they were given £500 from my parents
This was of course very generous and she said she will give the same to my middle DD who is 21 next year
My youngest DD would have been going to college next year or the year after . Now I think it would be unfair to give my youngest £1000 like the cousins just for going to Uni . I feel like it is penalising for not being clever enough to go on to study . This may not happen anyway as she says she might just get a job instead.

I said to my mum last night that I didn’t think she should treat the grandchildren differently

She was quite shocked and said it was because when you go away from home you need all the help that you can get .

Now I was the one growing up who was not academic and I scraped 2 GCSEs , much like my children and my sisters were very clever and it has brought back all my feelings of inadequacy.
Ive always been envious of people who are clever , as brains are much admired in my family, and I was keenly aware of this growing up .
I know I’m thick and it’s awful seeing my children suffer at school like I did , and watch every one else in the family recipe I g endless A graded .

I was loved just the same but i have always felt like I was a disappointment.

Now I’m going through the same with my children and it stings . My middle daughter works very hard in a minimum wage job , does she deserve less because she didn’t go to Uni ?

I said to mum on the phone that it wasn’t about the money , and it really isn’t . It’s about feeling that brains are rewarded and another reminder about my feelings as a failure.
She said that it was about the money . It really isn’t . We are not short of money .

My mum has always been generous and has given all of us money for various things .
She really doesn’t play favourites so is baffled why I feel like this .

It is really hard watching other teens happily off to Uni , my oldest especially feels down about all her friends going wishing she could.

I have never discussed how I feel with my DC btw, Ive always felt embarrassed about how I feel and would never openly admit it , I try hard to play to their strengths and give them confidence.

So not sure what I should say to mum .
I think that I just want her to acknowledge how I felt second best and how hard it is growing up in a family of geniuses when you aren’t .
I might seem like I’m being really childish and grabby but I honestly am not.

My mum is always so proud of their academic abilities, my daughter was finally awarded a pass for GCSE English this week with the grades fiasco and had failed it twice already . I didn’t even tell mum as sisters daughter was given all As for A level a couple of weeks ago .
I can’t bring myself to tell her about our grade 4 pass .

OP posts:
Coronawireless · 24/08/2020 13:53

I understand your point OP.
By the way you describe yourself as “thick” but you don’t come across that way at all.
And you say you’re not short of money so despite your academic difficulties you have done well - financially comfortable, a happy and stable family (?I assume). So you can hope that too for your own children. Try not to worry about the people (your DM included) who genuinely lack the insight to understand what it’s like not to be academically gifted. I never understood it until I had my own DC who has dyslexia. Whole new insight for me! Try not to let it get to you OP. You know yourself that you have climbed mountains your family can’t see and never knew were there.

FinallyHere · 24/08/2020 13:53

I would have loved to be a writer or a social worker , but nothing was ever suggested to me

Your style reads very well here. Have you ever considered doing some writing now?

BrookM · 24/08/2020 14:09

I don't think she is being unfair.. I would help out with school fee's for gc's who go away to school. I would see no reason to help out gc who are staying at home working min wage jobs.

I8toys · 24/08/2020 14:14

YABU - they will have that money to help with living expenses as it will be very expensive - your children don't need that as they are home with you.

billy1966 · 24/08/2020 14:40

@CopperBeeches

I see someone already mentioned but would you expect wedding presents even if your DD didn't get married? Or money for baby clothes if your DD didn't have a baby?

It is specific. (I didn't get married - both my sisters did - Parents paid significiant sum towards wedding and gave substantial present. I of course got nothing)

A very old friend of mine never married. Her three siblings did. They received substantial gifts for weddings and their children over the years...also great support while the children were young, with childcare.

She has never received a penny from them.
It hasn't ever been an issue for her though, she certainly never referenced it to me.

She has a good career and has provided for herself.

However,..... it was suggested earlier this year that she might return to her parents home, as they are getting older and will need more help.... and she doesn't have any responsibilities....the implication being....sure what else would she be doing!

Fortuitously, an opportunity to lead a project in another city has arisen since then, and she has accepted.

She has told them very sweetly, but firmly, that considering the 30 years of financial support and childcare they received from their parents, she's sure they will be able to organise it between them, now that she is taking a job away. She will return for the odd weekend to visit, via her own home.

I'm sorry that she will no longer be close by, but I think it is very important that this isn't foisted on her by her siblings, who I might add have children that that are young adults now......but still thought they had some right to suggest she take on the bulk of her parents day to day care, and move out of her own home! Hilarious!

AnnaSW1 · 24/08/2020 14:41

She is paying towards their extra expenses. I don't think she is being unfair,

Blackbear19 · 24/08/2020 15:06

@Noneformethanks

I feel terrible now because I’m making a difference between my own dc And I honestly didn’t think it was unfair
Your probably not being unfair. Supporting kids fairly isn't always completely equal.

If one kid goes to Uni that's when they need financial support. Another child might need financial support in a different way at a different point in time.

Some people are being a bit bonkers to think that children should get handouts to blow on whatever because another child needs a handout to pay for essentials.

I've two cousins one went down the academic route the other didn't. The academic one got fees paid, accommodation paid etc. The one who didn't got a new car to help with her job, help with house and various other things.
The academic one moaned about the other getting stuff for nothing. Their parents pointed out we've still spent more on your education than we have on your sister.

Thisismytimetoshine · 24/08/2020 15:08

Some people are being a bit bonkers to think that children should get handouts to blow on whatever because another child needs a handout to pay for essentials.
Indeed. That actually would be unfair.

mrpumblechook · 24/08/2020 15:43

No, not all, but the majority.

The fact that the majority do have to take out loans is not really relevant as the fact is that plenty don't especially in universities that are full of privately educated students. Even those that do take out loans may get help paying it back from parents in the future or they may be higher earners and easily pay it back themselves. The point is OP's mother doesn't know their specific situations. She is just giving them money because they are doing a degree regardless of their circumstances.

I couldn’t do the job I now do or earn the salary I do without my degree, however this doesn’t reflect the fact that when I was at university I had to budget and making ends meet was challenging.

Whether you found it financially difficult does not mean that it is difficult for everyone. I wasn't rich at university but I certainly didn't struggle. I don't think DD struggles either or her friends. Again, it depends on where you live, what loans or bursaries you receive and what parental support you have. The OP's mother hasn't given grandchildren money because she knows they are struggling. She has just given their money anyway which means it is more of a reward and that is unfair and discriminatory. They are already going to be privileged enough if they go to Oxbridge compared with someone with SEN. She doesn't need to add to.

mrpumblechook · 24/08/2020 15:49

@Thisismytimetoshine

Some people are being a bit bonkers to think that children should get handouts to blow on whatever because another child needs a handout to pay for essentials. Indeed. That actually would be unfair.
What evidence is there that the money is going on essentials? Their parents may already give them enough for essentials . This may very well just be extra money, to be spent in pubs etc.
Thisismytimetoshine · 24/08/2020 15:55

This may very well just be extra money, to be spent in pubs etc.
They're students. These are essentials Wink

Missfelipe · 24/08/2020 16:01

My gran worshipped my cousin and spoiled her above all of her other grandchildren. Not just with money/gifts but in terms of time and interest. No particular reason, she was just her chosen favourite. We’re all adults now and it’s very clear that the quite obvious difference in treatment has resulted in us all being quite distant from her, except for her favourite of course! It’s a very real risk to run with behaving this way!

SarahBellam · 24/08/2020 16:08

The costs of moving to university and even just buying the text books or a laptop will wipe that out almost immediately. These are costs over and above day to day living, so no, I don’t think she’s being mean or thoughtless. All the money is doing is helping the students with some of their additional costs.

mrpumblechook · 24/08/2020 16:39

The costs of moving to university and even just buying the text books or a laptop will wipe that out almost immediately.

Not if it is already covered by loan, parental contributions etc.

Grumpsy · 24/08/2020 16:41

@mrpumblechook

Having the ability to be a higher earner in the future doesn’t help with the here and now though does it?!

I’m also assuming that the grandparents have some idea as to the situation of their children and grandchildren.

I didn’t struggle as much as I could have whilst at university, it was challenging at times, but I had a job along side my degree. I didn’t have parental support, but my parents couldn’t afford to, plus it was my decision to go to university so I had no expectation of them to fund me through it. And now because of my degree I have a good job, a good salary, and my loan will be paid off soon enough. However just because I’m earning more now doesn’t mean that my university years weren’t financially challenging.

I genuinely don’t think that OPs parents are being unreasonable. By the sounds of it they are very generous and if there was a need in the future.

Fairness imo doesn’t necessarily mean that the grandparents need to give all grandchildren exactly the same. It is situational.

mrpumblechook · 24/08/2020 16:48

Having the ability to be a higher earner in the future doesn’t help with the here and now though does it?!

As I said. They may not need help in the "here and now either". Not everyone does. It may be that the parental contributions are enough for example.

I’m also assuming that the grandparents have some idea as to the situation of their children and grandchildren.

Really?. I don't discuss finances with my parents and I very much doubt my children do either. She clearly is giving the money as a gift rather than because she knows that they will struggle otherwise.

I didn’t struggle as much as I could have whilst at university, it was challenging at times, but I had a job along side my degree. I didn’t have parental support, but my parents couldn’t afford to, plus it was my decision to go to university so I had no expectation of them to fund me through it. And now because of my degree I have a good job, a good salary, and my loan will be paid off soon enough. However just because I’m earning more now doesn’t mean that my university years weren’t financially challenging.

The point is that everyone's circumstances are different. The fact that someone is a student doesn't automatically mean that they will struggle financially.

mrpumblechook · 24/08/2020 16:54

Fairness imo doesn’t necessarily mean that the grandparents need to give all grandchildren exactly the same. It is situational.

I disagree, unless the grandparents have the knowledge that the children going to university are at some disadvantage compared with those that don't. It's actually the other way round in that both the degree are likely to have a higher salary in the future. Obviously if she knew that they were having problems financially whilst doing a degree it would be different but there is no suggestion that this is the case.

Nosuchluck · 24/08/2020 16:57

I wouldn’t be impressed if one of my three grown up DC commented on how I was spending my money.

gutentag1 · 24/08/2020 17:05

I think that's quite normal actually, the DGCs going to uni will have a lot more expenses than the DGCs living at home.

Grumpsy · 24/08/2020 17:43

@mrpumblechook

Fairness imo doesn’t necessarily mean that the grandparents need to give all grandchildren exactly the same. It is situational.

I disagree, unless the grandparents have the knowledge that the children going to university are at some disadvantage compared with those that don't. It's actually the other way round in that both the degree are likely to have a higher salary in the future. Obviously if she knew that they were having problems financially whilst doing a degree it would be different but there is no suggestion that this is the case.

I think this is where we have the agreement to disagree. I don’t see the issue in the grandparents trying to offer support for their grandchildren who are at university to support them through.

I would have a different opinion surrounding birthdays, Christmases or inheritance. I also believe that if any of OPs children needed support in the future, be it to start a business, other forms of learning or something else entirely that the grandparents should probably offer a similar level of support.

Blackbear19 · 24/08/2020 17:48

The costs of moving to university and even just buying the text books or a laptop will wipe that out almost immediately.

Not if it is already covered by loan, parental contributions etc.

Few parents will be able to fund children through Uni without student loans, so if Grannys money goes to reduce the debt that DGC get into that has to be viewed as essential help.

Wisteria1979 · 24/08/2020 19:18

I really like Billy’s idea- a future skills fund. To be used to further you in a way that’s relevant to you. My grandmother did something similar for us growing up (small scale & different but you had choices ) and I was always impressed with her fairness for all grandchildren

ancientgran · 24/08/2020 19:59

@Nosuchluck, too true, fortunately the only comment I've ever had is that I should enjoy myself and spend it on me.

Nosuchluck · 24/08/2020 20:01

ancientgran that's good to hear.

AllsortsofAwkward · 24/08/2020 20:07

Its not comparable, my parents helped me and dbro2 when we went to uni but dbro didn't go to uni he might have had help in other ways. My parents don't tally who they give what to. Shes been given money to spend on stuff she wants not food and rent.