Lovehoney calling open crotch knickers "schoolgirl"?

[Mxflamingnoravera]

Was I BU to submit a review to Lovehoney for the name of this product on their site. (Schoolgirl open back knickers) .
I've called them out on this in their review section.
Just appalling that a site like that which is for adults would use such a term. It's the last time I buy anything from them.

@chocaholic9 that's sad, but I guess both people in that relationship deserve to be with someone who can fulfil them sexually.

@NiceGerbil It's less common, but there are absolutely outfitters who sell adult male school uniforms, and it's a service that the majority of kink friendly sex workers will provide. Interestingly from reading about the psychology of fetishes, it seems that adult baby role play is more popular with men, whereas school girl fantasies are more popular with women.

Why do you assume that women are doing this for someone else's benefit

Why do you assume I think women are doing this for someone elses benefit? I never mentioned the sex or sexuality of anyone in that post

It's the same thing as acting out a consensual non-consent fantasy where you've negotiated and agreed to everything beforehand but want to pretend that you're being ravished in the moment

Why? Are lovehoney selling rape/sexual assault pants?

You are absolutely right this is completely outdated and unacceptable (why was it ever acceptable )

Should just be rebranded as 'tartan knickers'.

The connotations of paedophilia are utterly gross and shouldn't be promoted.

I’m pretty sure LH will pull the description. Put it in Twitter op.

@EvaHoffman

* How can anything which is confined to the bedroom and takes place between consenting adults be 'wrong'?*

Erm it can be wrong very easily.

Where did the idea come from that every single fantasy has to be acted out? All adults fantasise but adults are also able to have a word with themselves if the fantasy is horrible and then decide not to act it out. Adults make decisions for themselves several times a day like this. You might have the urge to swear at your boss, drink a whole bottle of gin or smack your child but you hold yourself back. What's special about a fetish that you have to act it out? It's not the same as a sexual orientation like being gay. Dressing up as a schoolgirl is not something you're born to need to do. It comes into people's heads because it's part of our culture which sees girls (the younger the better) as sex objects and then if it's in Britney Spears videos or for sale in Ann Summers it looks like good, clean, normal fun. But it's not clean fun.

I don't doubt that many men have this fantasy (some women too). It's not surprising they do, because the sexy schoolgirl is a well known image. But just saying that lots of people want to do it doesn't make it ok.

But if you and your partner both want to act out that fantasy, why wouldn't you?

In your examples of where adults deny themselves an impulse, they all hinge on someone within that example not wanting it. Your child doesn't want to be hit, your boss doesn't want to be sworn at. But in a consenting kinky relationship, both people want to engage in a bit of spanking or tying each other up.

What benefit is there to denying yourselves something which feels good and turns you both on? Do you really think a couple should decide not to explore their sexual fantasies in complete private, with total consent, because you think it's wrong?

Tartan backless knickers = perfectly good name for them.

No need to associate then with children at all.

The whole sexy schoolgirl thing is grim (I think now, didn't have an issue when younger. Have changed my view).

Morals.

[quote LittleGwyneth]@chocaholic9 that's sad, but I guess both people in that relationship deserve to be with someone who can fulfil them sexually.

@NiceGerbil It's less common, but there are absolutely outfitters who sell adult male school uniforms, and it's a service that the majority of kink friendly sex workers will provide. Interestingly from reading about the psychology of fetishes, it seems that adult baby role play is more popular with men, whereas school girl fantasies are more popular with women.[/quote]
Kink friendly sex workers. Give us a break. Not sure what world you live in but it sounds very seedy.

@DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult
you wrote: 'I wouldn't be with anyone who could get aroused at the thought of children (which is exactly what this is). Nor would I ever dress up or act like a child for anyones benefit.'

Of course that's your choice, and you shouldn't ever do anything sexually that you don't want to. But your comment suggests that's a universal truth, and anyone who buys these pants is doing so to arouse someone else or for their 'benefit', where many women who buy these things will be doing so for their own arousal / benefit.

@Chocaholic9 And yours sound a bit once a week with the lights off!

Arousing yourself by thinking about child abuse is also wrong @LittleGwyneth. I would suggest you speak to someone if you think that’s ok.

YADNBU OP.
Creep and disgusting that a mainstream website such as Lovehoney is legitimising such a thing.
Consenting adults might role-play this, but they might also role-play many other things - that doesn't justify those role-plays being legitimised and made 'mainstream' by a site such as Lovehoney.

@Benjispruce2

Arousing yourself by thinking about child abuse is also wrong *@LittleGwyneth*. I would suggest you speak to someone if you think that’s ok.

If you really think that liking a pair of knee socks and some playful spanking makes you a pedophile, then I suggest you do the same.

Off to see if they do those pants in straight sizes now.

Do you really think a couple should decide not to explore their sexual fantasies in complete private, with total consent, because you think it's wrong?

Yes. That is what I think.

Well I don't think a couple would decide not to do something because I think it's wrong 😁 But for sure if I found myself being turned on by the idea of dressing up as a school girl I would definitely have a word with myself, yes. Of course I would. I am in charge of my sex life. I can pick and choose which fantasies I want to indulge and which I don't.

I have been a school girl and I have two school aged children. I would pretty quickly make the association between real life abuse and what I was planning to do in the bedroom and then I wouldn't do it.

But your comment suggests that's a universal truth, and anyone who buys these pants is doing so to arouse someone else or for their 'benefit', where many women who buy these things will be doing so for their own arousal / benefit.

Does it?

I wouldn't be with anyone who could get aroused at the thought of children (which is exactly what this is). Nor would I ever dress up or act like a child for anyones benefit.

If you get aroused by pretending to be a child and you're happy with your partner getting aroused at you pretending to be a child then that's your choice. Don't try and pretend that it's because you're so much more open minded than everyone else. You have absolutely no idea about anyone elses sex life/likes/kinks on here, just that most of us don't enjoy the thought of children.

@EvaHoffman

Do you really think a couple should decide not to explore their sexual fantasies in complete private, with total consent, because you think it's wrong?

Yes. That is what I think.

Well I don't think a couple would decide not to do something because I think it's wrong 😁 But for sure if I found myself being turned on by the idea of dressing up as a school girl I would definitely have a word with myself, yes. Of course I would. I am in charge of my sex life. I can pick and choose which fantasies I want to indulge and which I don't.

I have been a school girl and I have two school aged children. I would pretty quickly make the association between real life abuse and what I was planning to do in the bedroom and then I wouldn't do it.

Fair enough. When I have a fantasy I prefer to see if my partner is in to it, put a bottle of champagne in the fridge, and enjoy it in the privacy of my own bedroom. To each their own.

[quote LittleGwyneth]@Chocaholic9 And yours sound a bit once a week with the lights off![/quote]
It's possible to have a good sex life without exploiting anyone or advocating that others be exploited.

Gross YANBU.

And just because dirty old men people have been perving over underage girls for decades doesn't make it even remotely ok

@LittleGwyneth It's the same thing as acting out a consensual non-consent fantasy where you've negotiated and agreed to everything beforehand but want to pretend that you're being ravished in the moment

I can promise you that women who are being raped are not being 'ravished in the moment'. I'm struggling to find words to describe exactly how vile that is to read when you've been on the receiving end of 'non-consent'. You have zero clue as to the reality of that type of situation and clearly don't give two hoots for the experiences of women who do.

This is why it would be nice for adults to deny themselves - because it would show a little empathy to the victims of sexual assault and not minimise that type of offence as a sex game.

My school uniform was the very traditional tartan plaid skirt that seems to be most common in the school girl fetishism and I got comments from men in the street about it. Some sounded fairly innocuous but they ranged from that to the "They're all gagging for it" type comments from men in their 20s.
It's worth mentioning that this was my Primary School uniform. I was about 10. I looked 10.
No, I do not think it a good thing that it is considered perfectly acceptable to market this stuff under "schoolgirl".

@DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult

But your comment suggests that's a universal truth, and anyone who buys these pants is doing so to arouse someone else or for their 'benefit', where many women who buy these things will be doing so for their own arousal / benefit.

Does it?

I wouldn't be with anyone who could get aroused at the thought of children (which is exactly what this is). Nor would I ever dress up or act like a child for anyones benefit.

If you get aroused by pretending to be a child and you're happy with your partner getting aroused at you pretending to be a child then that's your choice. Don't try and pretend that it's because you're so much more open minded than everyone else. You have absolutely no idea about anyone elses sex life/likes/kinks on here, just that most of us don't enjoy the thought of children.

I think it's potentially impossible to explain how BDSM fantasies work to people who don't have them // aren't open to understanding them. School skirts and knee socks aren't about children, they're about allowing yourself to take on a submissive role within a sexual fantasy.

Just as nonconsent fantasies aren't about wanting to experience anything so horrific in real life, they're about wanting the illusion of having given up control.

It's also super common to think about having sex with women or watch lesbian porn, while being completely straight and not wanting sex with women.

Our fantasies are complicated things, but I can assure you that finding an adult woman with an adult body attractive when she's wearing a tied up shirt and some knee socks, is not the same as being aroused by children.

[quote MordredsOrrery]**@LittleGwyneth* It's the same thing as acting out a consensual non-consent fantasy where you've negotiated and agreed to everything beforehand but want to pretend that you're being ravished in the moment*

I can promise you that women who are being raped are not being 'ravished in the moment'. I'm struggling to find words to describe exactly how vile that is to read when you've been on the receiving end of 'non-consent'. You have zero clue as to the reality of that type of situation and clearly don't give two hoots for the experiences of women who do.

This is why it would be nice for adults to deny themselves - because it would show a little empathy to the victims of sexual assault and not minimise that type of offence as a sex game.[/quote]
I suspect Gwyneth is male because there is a lack of empathy towards other women & girls .

Thanks for the lesson, it's really not needed though.

Would it be ok for lovehoney to sell 'Rape Pants'?

I did ask before but you seem to have skipped over that part of my post.

yanbu.

it makes me feel uncomfortable as fuck. the fact it's a fantasy doesnt make it any less gross.

It really isn’t @LittleGwyneth no matter what you tell yourself. Ask yourself why the schoolgirl is playa submissive role.