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Suing neighbour for character defamation

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CandiStore · 23/08/2020 20:10

A neighbour a couple of doors away got a dog several months ago which barked continuously when she left it out in the garden for long periods.

One Sunday when I was woken early yet again I went out and spoke to her, she was extremely confrontational and I stood firm, but didn't swear like her. She accused me of shouting out the window a few days previously to 'shut that f'kng dog up' but that I stated that had not been me (so obviously other people have been bothered and reacted).

I left it for a few weeks but struggled with early waking from the barking and on the days I worked from home my Teams meetings were disturbed.

I wrote a polite and convivial letter acknowledging that we hadn't got off to the best start when we spoke and apologising for that and asking her to tackle the barking as best she could, offering suggestions and telling her I was an animal lover too.

She has now written back, highly defensive, (using very poor spelling and grammar) saying she is fully aware that I have contacted the Council and failed to provide evidence of alleged noise nuisance - this was not me so how can she assume this? She has accused me of 'howling abuse' stating this shows my true personality, again untrue.

She accuses me of not being a pet lover. Basically she has made me look and sound really bad.

In her letter she has told me that after 'taking legal advice' she has distributed my letter and her letter in response to all the houses in the street.

I am planning to sue her for defamation of character because she has distributed a letter written to her only, made several attacks on my character and falsely accused me of being the person who contacted the Council (surely that would be confidential anyway?). This has obviously been upsetting and will negatively affect my reputation in the neighbourhood. My name and address are clearly marked on my letter to her so I will be easily identified. She had no right to do that without prior consultation.

Has anyone had similar experiences and can offer advice - I attempted to find a solution to this problem via an amicable and factual letter. AIBU to sue?

OP posts:
Noneformethanks · 23/08/2020 20:34

She can give your letter to anyone she likes.

SentientAndCognisant · 23/08/2020 20:37

Get a cease & desist letter from A solicitor and leave it at that
Legal action will be acrimonious, costly and unsatisfactory

Derekhello · 23/08/2020 20:39

What does her spelling and grammar have to do with it? Confused

soloula · 23/08/2020 20:39

Why would you want to sue for defamation because a crazy neighbour sent some letters round the neighbours? If anything it would sour otherwise good relations with neighbours as presumably they'd get drawn in to the dispute and worse case scenario have to be called into court or required to write to the court to give evidence as to your character to show how you'd been defamed (what they thought before v what they thought after the letter). Just give her a wide berth. If you decide to move in the future you need to declare any neighbour disputes to the sellers so bear this in mind when you're deciding what action to take (police, council, solicitors letters etc...).

romeolovedjulliet · 23/08/2020 20:42

op is possibly trying to say in the nicest way that her bat shit neighbour isn't the most educated or most decent person, or to paraphase mn saying, she's rougher than a badgers backside. not saying that's true but it's how i read it.

Aswad · 23/08/2020 20:43

Derekhello

What does her spelling and grammar have to do with it? confused

You beat me to it!!!!

Daphnise · 23/08/2020 20:43

Suing for defamation is both incorrect and unworkable here.
You need some proper advice, so take up the suggestions made above here.

PiataMaiNei · 23/08/2020 20:46

It's very difficult to get anywhere with defamation in this country unless someone involved has deep pockets.

Minimumstandard · 23/08/2020 20:49

She was entirely wrong to distribute a letter with your address and personal contact information on it. Not sure whether that infringes privacy/data protection laws but that was unacceptable of her.

Nandocushion · 23/08/2020 20:52

Instead of suing (and good for you for taking PP advice on board OP), I'd be encouraged by the fact that someone has already gone to the Council about the barking. If I were you I'd start to gather actual evidence (I've seen some other threads where posters say the Council may provide recording equipment for noise complaints), and while you're doing that I bet the other neighbours will be in touch with you to discuss, now that barking lady has helpfully pointed them in your direction.

CandiStore · 23/08/2020 20:52

Interesting answers on here, I've just had one set of neighbours who live directly next door to her supporting me :) they said the dog drives them mad too.

OP posts:
pilates · 23/08/2020 20:53

You would have more money than sense if you do that.

SentientAndCognisant · 23/08/2020 20:56

Don’t engage in costly legal saga because of a small time spat

EhUp · 23/08/2020 20:57

Attempting to sue a neighbour is surely likely to damage your reputation far more than this woman distributing copies of your letter and her response

If your letter was factual and polite then what are you worried about? I imagine your neighbours will mostly sympathise with you since they also have to tolerate the barking dog situation and at least one of them has already complained. Dog lady is the the one who should be worried about her reputation not you

Rise above it

Angelina82 · 23/08/2020 20:58

Are you sure it’s the dog barking and not you and you’re neighbour?Confused

ivykaty44 · 23/08/2020 20:59

so you wrote a nice letter to her and she wrote a nasty letter in return

then tells you she's distributed the letter you wrote - the nice one, to all the street

well isn't she going to look stupid then

whats the problem?

SentientAndCognisant · 23/08/2020 21:01

This is Brittle egos on both sides and some I said she, said and a barking dog
Get it into perspective, it’s annoyance nothing more. Sure she’s a pain
But legal action and getting in cahoots with other neighbours isn’t the answer

Supersimkin2 · 23/08/2020 21:01

You sue, you look madder than she does.

ivykaty44 · 23/08/2020 21:02

barking mad

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 23/08/2020 21:03

@Minimumstandard

She was entirely wrong to distribute a letter with your address and personal contact information on it. Not sure whether that infringes privacy/data protection laws but that was unacceptable of her.
Oh god, it's the Mumsnet imaginary GDPR rules again.

GDPR does not apply to private individuals. A letter sent to a private individual is that individual's property and they can do whatever they like with it, from a data privacy point of view.

GlummyMcGlummerson · 23/08/2020 21:04

Ok OP, that sounds annoying, and I feel for you, but that really isn't how civil law works.

You'd have to prove that you have lost out on something because of the defamation of character. Otherwise how will you calculate what you are suing her for? Also, whilst it was pretty underhand sending your letter round the street, she wasn't bound to keep it confidential. It is your letter in your words and that's what would be argued in a court of law - that you can't defame someone by showing other the words they've used themselves.

With respect, suing is a total overreaction. You will lose and it will cost a lot. Go to environmental health and the RSPCA instead.

ivykaty44 · 23/08/2020 21:05

surely though your neighbours know where you live....

midsomermurderess · 23/08/2020 21:07

It's hard for an ordinary person to sue for defamation. A core element is harm to your reputation and you might struggle to show you that you have much of a reputation to harm. Ie basically, who cares? The costs could also be eye watering.

MistyMinge2 · 23/08/2020 21:07

I highly doubt that your neighbours will give much of a shit. She'll look like a nutter but if you sue, you'll look equally, if not more nutty. Things like this can spiral out of control and take over your life if you're not careful. If the dog is still being noisey then complain to the council. If she carries on bothering you then as someone else said, get a cease and desist letter sent.

KarmaStar · 23/08/2020 21:09

She's latched onto you as you are probably the only one who has made a connection,the others have just shouted to keep the noise down.
I doubt she will carry out her threat.
Note Dobson the times and dates you are disturbed and contact your local environment agency noise complaint office to request advice.
Don't make any further contact with her.
Most importantly,establish if the dog is ok,i.e. Fed and walked and not locked out in all weathers.I understand some of
That would be impossible but if you have concerns speak to the rspca.
Going back to the woman,don't waste your money trying to she her.