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This government don’t give a shit about schools or your kids

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noblegiraffe · 20/08/2020 19:11

AIBU to think that the government have fucked up literally everything to do with schools and education this year?

Evidence:

Chaotic school closures and keyworker provision (couldn’t decide what a keyworker was until the very last minute)

Forgot that kids on free school meals would go hungry so heads had to go round delivering sandwiches while the DfE put together an utterly shambolic voucher system that crashed and was pretty unusable.

Issued no guidelines for minimum education requirements during lockdown leading to vastly different provision between schools. Even Ofsted said they couldn’t judge schools on lockdown provision as there were no standards to judge them against.

Had to be shamed into u-turning on their insistence that free school meal children should go hungry during the holidays by a celebrity footballer (well done Marcus Rashford you absolute star)

Fed stories to friendly newspapers about schools re-opening in May to judge public reaction, leading to anxiety and uncertainty among parents and school staff

Announced that primary schools would open to all pupils before the summer holidays, an announcement that had surely not been run past anyone who worked in schools given that under the government’s own guidelines for schools for bubbles of 15 and no rotas, this would require double the classrooms and double the teachers available. Then backtracked on this a few weeks later (getting the friendly press to blame the unions) again creating uncertainty, anxiety and disappointment for parents and pupils.

Ignored education select committee questions about Ofqual’s algorithm when they raised issues in July

Lied and said they didn’t have early access to the data from Ofqual’s algorithm

When Scotland u-turned on their use of an algorithm, instead of making a considered response, came out with the bizarre notion that kids could use their mock grades - a suggestion that had obviously never been put past anyone who worked in schools. Again.

Took 5 days to realise that their mock suggestion created more problems than it solved, then u-turned on awarding CAGs creating problems for Y12 next year.

Fed stories to the friendly press that the unions are blocking the re-opening of schools in September so if it goes tits-up, they can blame them again (unions are asking for a ‘plan B’ in the case of local lockdowns, and for working conditions comparable to those of all other workers, no strike action has been proposed or balloted for so they couldn’t block re-opening even if they wanted to)

Blamed Ofqual for the algorithm they were told to create (prioritising statistics over teacher assessment)

Branded a teacher payrise that was agreed back in January a ‘reward for work during lockdown’, knowing this was incorrect, and deliberately fuelling outrage that they themselves had caused by having no minimum requirements for education in lockdown leading to vastly different provision.

Not funding this payrise so teachers probably won’t get it as otherwise it will lead to redundancies for other staff members due to having to fund it from already dire staffing budgets.

Issued guidelines that said that schools should reopen with increased cleaning schedules, increased handwashing, hand sanitising but providing no extra funding for this.

Instructed heads not to take any measures that would improve safety but would require more space (e.g. use of village halls) or not have pupils in full time (rotas, staggered timetables).

Didn’t realise that kids wouldn’t be able to get to school on public transport under current social distancing requirements as there aren’t enough buses until three weeks before schools reopened, and decided to throw £40 million to LAs to sort this (what? buy more buses?) so that they could blame the LAs when it inevitably goes wrong and kids can’t get to school.

And these are the people currently running a campaign to convince parents that they are capable of re-opening schools safely.

YABU: I have full confidence in the government and am perfectly happy with how things have gone so far

YANBU: It is mind-boggling how incompetent they have been, and how little thought they have given to the education of the nation’s children.

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StaffAssociationRepresentative · 25/08/2020 09:05

The vast majority are train and bus at my school too.

Danglingmod · 25/08/2020 09:05

Of course, Piggy. 'Twas a cross post!

Danglingmod · 25/08/2020 09:06

Why do they keep saying students and teachers are in consistent groups? In secondary schools, we are in consistent groups of 1000-2000 people!!!

Clavinova · 25/08/2020 09:06

Just wait for the U turn from our muppets

Are you suggesting that Nicola Sturgeon is a muppet? Didn't the school term start 10 days ago in Scotland?

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 25/08/2020 09:06

@SmileEachDay

*what does that even mean? No illegal raves, or no trips to Asda?)

Dammit.

I’m honestly livid about this - how dare the government say that we have to be responsible for not carrying the virus into school, but they are doing nothing of note to protect us, and stop us carrying the virus back to our families.

It’s real straw that broke the camel’s back stuff.

What? Can teachers catch Covid at Asda but not school? If I shop at Waitrose am I safe? I am certain it will all be in the next issue of DfE guidance
Piggywaspushed · 25/08/2020 09:07

Phew dangling.

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 25/08/2020 09:07

@Clavinova

Just wait for the U turn from our muppets

Are you suggesting that Nicola Sturgeon is a muppet? Didn't the school term start 10 days ago in Scotland?

No I am talking about the English muppets who said there would be no mask review
Appuskidu · 25/08/2020 09:08

I’m honestly livid about this - how dare the government say that we have to be responsible for not carrying the virus into school, but they are doing nothing of note to protect us, and stop us carrying the virus back to our families

Yep.

Is anyone else being set up for being blamed for causing outbreaks after being sent back to work without any of the risk mitigations offered to other workplaces?!

walksen · 25/08/2020 09:11

Well they did blame care homes for not following procedures after they discharged people into them and proper ppe was as rare as hen's teeth ( in care homes at least) at the time.

noblegiraffe · 25/08/2020 09:11

I’m honestly livid about this - how dare the government say that we have to be responsible for not carrying the virus into school, but they are doing nothing of note to protect us, and stop us carrying the virus back to our families.

Me too, can we sue them for dereliction of duty?

I mean when the NHS put themselves on the line they got clapped and rainbows in window and volunteers and people making masks and visors, special shopping hours and gifts sent to hospitals.

Teachers get patronised and gaslit and articles from the PM about moral duty, because while we want to teach, we have the audacity to want some safety measures in place while we do so. Like in all the other countries.

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SmileEachDay · 25/08/2020 09:11

Clavinova

Can you understand why your posts may be frustrating to those of us actually involved in teaching?

To you, this is a way of killing time - a totally academic discussion that has no impact on you or your family.

To us, the impact is real and present.

You are - of course - within your rights to post what you like, but that doesn’t necessarily mean you should.

Clavinova · 25/08/2020 09:13

how dare the government say that we have to be responsible for not carrying the virus into school

To be fair, that's what the Scottish epidemiologist said on lbc last night; "teachers are likely to be the source of infection."

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 25/08/2020 09:14

I really do think that if you work for the dfe then there should be a regular secondment to a state school - primary and secondary. They are out of touch with the masses

SmileEachDay · 25/08/2020 09:15

Me too, can we sue them for dereliction of duty?

Doubt it. There’s a line in the current guidance for secondary that says (and I paraphrase because I don’t have time to trawl through eleventy million pages) “if there’s a confirmed case in school, teachers who have taught pupil don’t need to isolate because they will have kept themselves 2m apart from pupils”

😡

SmileEachDay · 25/08/2020 09:16

To be fair, that's what the Scottish epidemiologist said on lbc last night; "teachers are likely to be the source of infection

Please see my earlier post directed to you Clav.

My patience is thin, this morning.

Piggywaspushed · 25/08/2020 09:16

It's only on balance of some kind of statistical probability on the cases they identified though. Their own random swabbing found far more cases in children than they expected.

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 25/08/2020 09:17

They need a clear understanding of what the challenges are from a teacher and student perspective. Surveys and a couple of hour drop-ins are not enough to have an understanding of the data.

noblegiraffe · 25/08/2020 09:17

@Clavinova

how dare the government say that we have to be responsible for not carrying the virus into school

To be fair, that's what the Scottish epidemiologist said on lbc last night; "teachers are likely to be the source of infection."

No Clav that’s not the same thing.

Saying that teachers are likely to be the source of infection is presumably data based (although fuck knows these days it’s basically make up your own shit).

Saying that therefore teachers should restrict their behaviour outside of school is a spin on that data blaming teachers for spreading it.

Saying ‘therefore extra safety measures should be put in place in schools to minimise the possibility of transmission from a teacher’ is not blaming teachers for spreading it, but acknowledging it’s a virus that is spread by people (not on purpose).

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Clavinova · 25/08/2020 09:18

Can you understand why your posts may be frustrating to those of us actually involved in teaching?

In my opinion not enough teachers on this forum have acknowledged the risk of staff to staff transmission in schools.

Appuskidu · 25/08/2020 09:18

@walksen

Well they did blame care homes for not following procedures after they discharged people into them and proper ppe was as rare as hen's teeth ( in care homes at least) at the time.
I’m sure the government will be pleased when our history and sociology text books in the future talk about the care home fiasco of 2020 and why no lessons were learnt from that to prevent the schools fiasco.

I see a 20 marker question on the GCSE paper. Perhaps using one of those posters released yesterday saying ‘teachers are safe‘ as the photo source!

Piggywaspushed · 25/08/2020 09:18

Yes tot at walksen and nurses for not wearing PPE properly (even though masks and PPE are deigned to default fit 5 ft 11 males)

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 25/08/2020 09:18

No we can not sue them because they use the term ‘where possible’

noblegiraffe · 25/08/2020 09:19

This government doesn’t give a shit about schools, your kids or teachers.

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noblegiraffe · 25/08/2020 09:19

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