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This government don’t give a shit about schools or your kids

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noblegiraffe · 20/08/2020 19:11

AIBU to think that the government have fucked up literally everything to do with schools and education this year?

Evidence:

Chaotic school closures and keyworker provision (couldn’t decide what a keyworker was until the very last minute)

Forgot that kids on free school meals would go hungry so heads had to go round delivering sandwiches while the DfE put together an utterly shambolic voucher system that crashed and was pretty unusable.

Issued no guidelines for minimum education requirements during lockdown leading to vastly different provision between schools. Even Ofsted said they couldn’t judge schools on lockdown provision as there were no standards to judge them against.

Had to be shamed into u-turning on their insistence that free school meal children should go hungry during the holidays by a celebrity footballer (well done Marcus Rashford you absolute star)

Fed stories to friendly newspapers about schools re-opening in May to judge public reaction, leading to anxiety and uncertainty among parents and school staff

Announced that primary schools would open to all pupils before the summer holidays, an announcement that had surely not been run past anyone who worked in schools given that under the government’s own guidelines for schools for bubbles of 15 and no rotas, this would require double the classrooms and double the teachers available. Then backtracked on this a few weeks later (getting the friendly press to blame the unions) again creating uncertainty, anxiety and disappointment for parents and pupils.

Ignored education select committee questions about Ofqual’s algorithm when they raised issues in July

Lied and said they didn’t have early access to the data from Ofqual’s algorithm

When Scotland u-turned on their use of an algorithm, instead of making a considered response, came out with the bizarre notion that kids could use their mock grades - a suggestion that had obviously never been put past anyone who worked in schools. Again.

Took 5 days to realise that their mock suggestion created more problems than it solved, then u-turned on awarding CAGs creating problems for Y12 next year.

Fed stories to the friendly press that the unions are blocking the re-opening of schools in September so if it goes tits-up, they can blame them again (unions are asking for a ‘plan B’ in the case of local lockdowns, and for working conditions comparable to those of all other workers, no strike action has been proposed or balloted for so they couldn’t block re-opening even if they wanted to)

Blamed Ofqual for the algorithm they were told to create (prioritising statistics over teacher assessment)

Branded a teacher payrise that was agreed back in January a ‘reward for work during lockdown’, knowing this was incorrect, and deliberately fuelling outrage that they themselves had caused by having no minimum requirements for education in lockdown leading to vastly different provision.

Not funding this payrise so teachers probably won’t get it as otherwise it will lead to redundancies for other staff members due to having to fund it from already dire staffing budgets.

Issued guidelines that said that schools should reopen with increased cleaning schedules, increased handwashing, hand sanitising but providing no extra funding for this.

Instructed heads not to take any measures that would improve safety but would require more space (e.g. use of village halls) or not have pupils in full time (rotas, staggered timetables).

Didn’t realise that kids wouldn’t be able to get to school on public transport under current social distancing requirements as there aren’t enough buses until three weeks before schools reopened, and decided to throw £40 million to LAs to sort this (what? buy more buses?) so that they could blame the LAs when it inevitably goes wrong and kids can’t get to school.

And these are the people currently running a campaign to convince parents that they are capable of re-opening schools safely.

YABU: I have full confidence in the government and am perfectly happy with how things have gone so far

YANBU: It is mind-boggling how incompetent they have been, and how little thought they have given to the education of the nation’s children.

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StaffAssociationRepresentative · 24/08/2020 15:00

@WhyNotMe40

The shambolic DFE should have been listening to headteachers over all these various issues. But through arrogance they thought they knew better. Then one day its "oh shit, the buses!" Hmm
that was the same person who said 'Oh shit BTECs' the day before results day!
Prestel · 24/08/2020 15:01

Re School Transport:

I thought the government had made the school transport problem go away by saying buses carrying schoolchildren don't need to adhere to social distancing rules. I know a lot of children use public buses but I think locally the plan is to make some of the public services around school times schoolchildren only services. Which seems to completely ignore the safety of bus drivers, though no more so than teachers, I guess.

latticechaos · 24/08/2020 15:02

@Notfeelinggreattoday

Could you all of done better ? Its a pandemic , something we haven't had to deal with in modern times Yes they have got things wrong but also got some things right like furlough etc
Honestly? I think every other government since ww2 would have done better.

I think I would have done better, as I would not have ignored the pandemic preparedness report, because I am a cautious person.

Furlough was ok, but actually due to being rushed,because they hadn't done any prep for either health or economy in pandemic, the scheme was too broad and too blunt, so cost a fortune. Germany's more targeted scheme is continuing for 24 months.

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 24/08/2020 15:06

@Notfeelinggreattoday

Could you all of done better ? Its a pandemic , something we haven't had to deal with in modern times Yes they have got things wrong but also got some things right like furlough etc
They had a good four months to screw up the results for A-Level, GCSE and BTEC.

How many people work at the DfE? 1,689
How many work for OFQUAL? 200

So that is 1,889 probably intelligent people who between them could not formulate and implement a successful strategy for the August results.

WhyNotMe40 · 24/08/2020 15:06

@Prestel

Re School Transport:

I thought the government had made the school transport problem go away by saying buses carrying schoolchildren don't need to adhere to social distancing rules. I know a lot of children use public buses but I think locally the plan is to make some of the public services around school times schoolchildren only services. Which seems to completely ignore the safety of bus drivers, though no more so than teachers, I guess.

Except on buses both driver and students will be wearing masks.
WhyNotMe40 · 24/08/2020 15:08

Staff - I wonder when someone went "oh shit - external candidates!" Because that still seems to be up in the air?

LyndaLaHughes · 24/08/2020 15:09

@Notfeelinggreattoday

Could you all of done better ? Its a pandemic , something we haven't had to deal with in modern times Yes they have got things wrong but also got some things right like furlough etc
By that argument every other country should have the shitshow we have. Surprise, surprise they don't. Why? Because our government is completely incompetent- blinded by greed, money and nepotism.
StaffAssociationRepresentative · 24/08/2020 15:16

@WhyNotMe40 I think it just shows that the DfE and OFQUAL are no longer fit for purpose.

The DfE is now so back in my view that it needs to be put into Special Measures because the understanding it has shown of its key stakeholders has been rubbish. Chucking out policy documents every week with the occasional few million here and there is not called management.

what the hell are they all doing?

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 24/08/2020 15:18

not back but bad or awful or shambolic or horrendous or shite or pathetic or idiotic ...

you get my drift.

itsgettingweird · 24/08/2020 15:36

School in Scotland already closed.

People already saying "see it's staff that pass it between themselves. Students are safe" and "hospitalisation are still low"

Completely missing the point that schools need staff to run. It wasn't about people being so ill they need hospitalisation (and I can't get why people are wanting it to be this bad?).

If it's in a school, staff will get it. Staff off sick then classes close.

Not rocket science!

Prestel · 24/08/2020 15:45

Except on buses both driver and students will be wearing masks

Actually I don't think drivers do (can obscure vision or something) but I get your point that it's better than no masks at all in schools. Does raise the question why social distancing is necessary with masks on regular public transport, though, if it's safe for 18 year olds, doesn't it? The lack of consistency across comparable situations makes a joke of "following the science" and hence why people can't trust the government on any of this.

NeurotrashWarrior · 24/08/2020 15:52

@itsgettingweird

School in Scotland already closed.

People already saying "see it's staff that pass it between themselves. Students are safe" and "hospitalisation are still low"

Completely missing the point that schools need staff to run. It wasn't about people being so ill they need hospitalisation (and I can't get why people are wanting it to be this bad?).

If it's in a school, staff will get it. Staff off sick then classes close.

Not rocket science!

I've been saying that this will be the problem we will have to manage for months!

Not least that if staff are really ill there'll be few or no lessons for home let alone filmed lessons ffs.

Also that if pupils are asymptomatic and yet can spread it (? Do we know this?) how the heck do we know where staff have got it from?

itsgettingweird · 24/08/2020 16:05

Neuro some are already saying it must be the teachers fault and they aren't SD.
I'm sure the government messaging will soon blame teachers. It'll be teachers fault they are catching it on schools.

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 24/08/2020 16:19

And the good news keeps coming
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/24/coronavirus-home-test-kits-run-out-in-england-and-scotland

SmileEachDay · 24/08/2020 16:52

Just watching the news re Scotland and face masks in schools.

They used this phrase: “Sturgeon is in the last stages of consultation with teaching unions”

I’m puzzled...what..what does this mean?

latticechaos · 24/08/2020 16:57

@itsgettingweird

School in Scotland already closed.

People already saying "see it's staff that pass it between themselves. Students are safe" and "hospitalisation are still low"

Completely missing the point that schools need staff to run. It wasn't about people being so ill they need hospitalisation (and I can't get why people are wanting it to be this bad?).

If it's in a school, staff will get it. Staff off sick then classes close.

Not rocket science!

I am starting to think a considerable percentage of the population just can not process what is happening and how many changes have been and will be needed.

I agree it matters if only teachers get ill - firstly teachers are people who matter and secondly ill teachers are not working.

Dohorseseatapples · 24/08/2020 17:01

They used this phrase: “Sturgeon is in the last stages of consultation with teaching unions”

I’m puzzled...what..what does this mean?

It means that the government are making last minute changes as a result of union pressure.

Northernsoulgirl45 · 24/08/2020 17:05

I was disgusted by this from PHE and I am not a teacher.

This government don’t give a shit about schools or your kids
Northernsoulgirl45 · 24/08/2020 17:07

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This government don’t give a shit about schools or your kids
itsgettingweird · 24/08/2020 17:15

What exactly do they expect teachers to do?

How are you vigilant to a virus that's in droplets? Are there glasses you can buy to see it?

It's just setting it up for outbreaks in schools to be blamed on teachers.

Teachers are in bubbles with students. Teachers aren't mixing between themselves.

Virus spread in schools. They shut sometimes due to nuro outbreaks.

SmileEachDay · 24/08/2020 17:19

It means that the government are making last minute changes as a result of union pressure

Try again. If the U.K. govt had listened to teaching unions, they could have avoided a number of embarrassing and harmful uturns.

Appuskidu · 24/08/2020 17:25

The government know it’s going to spread through schools-it’s inevitable. They are now pulling out stops to set feckless (party animal?!) teachers up as the fall guy for when they close.

Whereas with a bit of extra money for cleaning, washing and staffing, recommendations for mask wearing where possible and clear guidance on parents having to show proof of negative tests, this would mean the Autumn term would look very different.

Peregrina · 24/08/2020 17:26

Clavinova: we know you can cut and paste.

What we don't know is where you live. If you live in a rural area, especially one in the north and west, you will know that at least half the children are bussed to school.The hills deter all bar the keenest cyclists.

It's not just providing money although that will help; it's that the transport firms don't have the busses available. Nor can private taxi firms help - usually they are already booked up for schools transport, except that one of our local firms has gone bankrupt as a result of the lockdown.

Williamson being a state educated man from Scarborough ought to have an inking - Johnson won't have a clue. Cameron wouldn't have done either. May might have done - she might well have been bussed to school.

itsgettingweird · 24/08/2020 17:38

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8658253/amp/Fury-Education-Secretary-Gavin-Williamson-nominated-MP-YEAR.html

Well if we didn't think all this was some kind of sick joke before Angry

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Clavinova · 24/08/2020 17:42

Which means that it's just under £48 per school per day.

£40 million has been allocated for the autumn term - your calculation is based on the whole school year.

So that is 1,889 probably intelligent people who between them could not formulate and implement a successful strategy for the August results.

I wonder why Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland couldn't come up with a successful strategy either? Labour's Shadow Education Secretary should have given Labour-led Wales the 'heads-up' on this.

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