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This government don’t give a shit about schools or your kids

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noblegiraffe · 20/08/2020 19:11

AIBU to think that the government have fucked up literally everything to do with schools and education this year?

Evidence:

Chaotic school closures and keyworker provision (couldn’t decide what a keyworker was until the very last minute)

Forgot that kids on free school meals would go hungry so heads had to go round delivering sandwiches while the DfE put together an utterly shambolic voucher system that crashed and was pretty unusable.

Issued no guidelines for minimum education requirements during lockdown leading to vastly different provision between schools. Even Ofsted said they couldn’t judge schools on lockdown provision as there were no standards to judge them against.

Had to be shamed into u-turning on their insistence that free school meal children should go hungry during the holidays by a celebrity footballer (well done Marcus Rashford you absolute star)

Fed stories to friendly newspapers about schools re-opening in May to judge public reaction, leading to anxiety and uncertainty among parents and school staff

Announced that primary schools would open to all pupils before the summer holidays, an announcement that had surely not been run past anyone who worked in schools given that under the government’s own guidelines for schools for bubbles of 15 and no rotas, this would require double the classrooms and double the teachers available. Then backtracked on this a few weeks later (getting the friendly press to blame the unions) again creating uncertainty, anxiety and disappointment for parents and pupils.

Ignored education select committee questions about Ofqual’s algorithm when they raised issues in July

Lied and said they didn’t have early access to the data from Ofqual’s algorithm

When Scotland u-turned on their use of an algorithm, instead of making a considered response, came out with the bizarre notion that kids could use their mock grades - a suggestion that had obviously never been put past anyone who worked in schools. Again.

Took 5 days to realise that their mock suggestion created more problems than it solved, then u-turned on awarding CAGs creating problems for Y12 next year.

Fed stories to the friendly press that the unions are blocking the re-opening of schools in September so if it goes tits-up, they can blame them again (unions are asking for a ‘plan B’ in the case of local lockdowns, and for working conditions comparable to those of all other workers, no strike action has been proposed or balloted for so they couldn’t block re-opening even if they wanted to)

Blamed Ofqual for the algorithm they were told to create (prioritising statistics over teacher assessment)

Branded a teacher payrise that was agreed back in January a ‘reward for work during lockdown’, knowing this was incorrect, and deliberately fuelling outrage that they themselves had caused by having no minimum requirements for education in lockdown leading to vastly different provision.

Not funding this payrise so teachers probably won’t get it as otherwise it will lead to redundancies for other staff members due to having to fund it from already dire staffing budgets.

Issued guidelines that said that schools should reopen with increased cleaning schedules, increased handwashing, hand sanitising but providing no extra funding for this.

Instructed heads not to take any measures that would improve safety but would require more space (e.g. use of village halls) or not have pupils in full time (rotas, staggered timetables).

Didn’t realise that kids wouldn’t be able to get to school on public transport under current social distancing requirements as there aren’t enough buses until three weeks before schools reopened, and decided to throw £40 million to LAs to sort this (what? buy more buses?) so that they could blame the LAs when it inevitably goes wrong and kids can’t get to school.

And these are the people currently running a campaign to convince parents that they are capable of re-opening schools safely.

YABU: I have full confidence in the government and am perfectly happy with how things have gone so far

YANBU: It is mind-boggling how incompetent they have been, and how little thought they have given to the education of the nation’s children.

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Peregrina · 24/08/2020 17:43

OH has pointed out that most nurseries and primaries don't have kids coming in on the bus so it's just secondary schools and VIth forms.

In rural counties, even that is not true - it's quite common for primary children to be bussed to school. Less so for nurseries, I would imagine.

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 24/08/2020 18:14

@Clavinova

Which means that it's just under £48 per school per day.

£40 million has been allocated for the autumn term - your calculation is based on the whole school year.

So that is 1,889 probably intelligent people who between them could not formulate and implement a successful strategy for the August results.

I wonder why Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland couldn't come up with a successful strategy either? Labour's Shadow Education Secretary should have given Labour-led Wales the 'heads-up' on this.

@Clavinova that does not let England off the hook. It is not okay to say it’s fine we cocked up because everyone else did.

The DfE should be in emergency measures now to use OFSTED terminology

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 24/08/2020 18:21

@Northernsoulgirl45

I was disgusted by this from PHE and I am not a teacher.
I think the government are going to have to work really hard to get teachers back on board come election.

They have lost all credibility. Constant ‘where possible’ guidance updates .... Education in this country is governed by a load of pencil pushers who operate in a different universe to most secondary schools

noss24 · 24/08/2020 18:24

If only it had been just education, perhaps 10 to 15,000 more people would be alive today.

itsgettingweird · 24/08/2020 18:33

Not just the teachers.

I've heard lots of my ds age group (16-18) who have just been through the exams stuff talking about how the government should have remembered they are old enough to vote in the next election!

ChavvySexPond · 24/08/2020 18:41

@Clavinova You're quite right. I do apologise.

A whopping additional £151 a day to get 1000 kids to school then.

SmileEachDay · 24/08/2020 18:41

The DfE should be in emergency measures now to use OFSTED terminology

Agree.

Imagine if you were a Head and halfway through an inspection you said “Actually we’re changing our behaviour policy from a restorative approach to a one strike and you’re out approach because reasons. Oh and that’s being implemented immediately”

monkeytennis97 · 24/08/2020 18:48

@itsgettingweird

What exactly do they expect teachers to do?

How are you vigilant to a virus that's in droplets? Are there glasses you can buy to see it?

It's just setting it up for outbreaks in schools to be blamed on teachers.

Teachers are in bubbles with students. Teachers aren't mixing between themselves.

Virus spread in schools. They shut sometimes due to nuro outbreaks.

Actually in secondaries we are not in the bubbles, although we are so exposed. We are outside of the bubbles... which is weird because I will be in the classroom with all these different bubbles.

It's all a load of emperor's new clothes nonsense.

Clavinova · 24/08/2020 19:27

A whopping additional £151 a day to get 1000 kids to school then.

Many schools are located in urban areas, pupils walk or cycle to school, others come by car...

Peregrina · 24/08/2020 19:28

Many schools are located in urban areas, pupils walk or cycle to school, others come by car...

And many children live in small villages in rural areas, too far to walk or cycle.

SmileEachDay · 24/08/2020 19:33

Many schools are located in urban areas, pupils walk or cycle to school, others come by car..

Not in London they don’t...

SmileEachDay · 24/08/2020 19:53

This was sent BoJo on 10th June

No reply to the NEU. Based on the evidence, I don’t think he read it.

FrippEnos · 24/08/2020 19:54

@Clavinova

A whopping additional £151 a day to get 1000 kids to school then.

Many schools are located in urban areas, pupils walk or cycle to school, others come by car...

So if we are using many.

Then

Many schools are located in rural areas.

Clavinova · 24/08/2020 20:02

Not in London they don’t...

Schoolsweek article here - not sure what they came up with;

"Free London travel for kids to be suspended but ‘special arrangements’ coming for school transport." ...

"The changes are one of several agreements TfL reached with the government as part of a £1.6 billion pay-out to help run public transport for the next four and half months;"

schoolsweek.co.uk/free-london-travel-for-kids-to-be-suspended-but-special-arrangements-coming-for-school-transport/

SmileEachDay · 24/08/2020 20:02

Clav

Low quality C&P there.

thecatsatonthewall · 24/08/2020 20:08

No reply to the NEU. Based on the evidence, I don’t think he read it

Oh come on, cheap shot, Bojo doesn't do detail..... but i feel sure all their points will be implemented Hmm

Clavinova · 24/08/2020 20:08

The local authority mentioned by a previous poster has seen a "huge rise in the number of people walking and cycling" in urban areas - they were allocated £100,000 under the government's emergency active travel fund in June - and bidding for a further £800,000 for longer term projects.

walksen · 24/08/2020 20:19

Scotland reportedly considering masks in corridors etc based on latest who advice - may be influenced by early outbreaks in schools? Lots of countries mandate at least some use of masks now that their community cases are on the rise.

Westminster responds with no plan to do so in England. I recall a similar chain of events when it came to mock results.

What are the odds this will change by October?

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 24/08/2020 20:40

[quote Clavinova]Not in London they don’t...

Schoolsweek article here - not sure what they came up with;

"Free London travel for kids to be suspended but ‘special arrangements’ coming for school transport." ...

"The changes are one of several agreements TfL reached with the government as part of a £1.6 billion pay-out to help run public transport for the next four and half months;"

schoolsweek.co.uk/free-london-travel-for-kids-to-be-suspended-but-special-arrangements-coming-for-school-transport/[/quote]
Actually the catchment for some London schools is wide. I know as I work in one. Some students will spend over an hour commuting to grammar schools.

TFL are going to be making it up next week. As it is we often have students late as the bus drove past because it was full

ps the schools week article is a little 'old'

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 24/08/2020 20:44

Typical Westminster approach on masks. Let's not have a plan and then when it goes tits up blame the teachers and say they should have worn masks

Clavinova · 24/08/2020 20:49

ps the schools week article is a little 'old'

Arguably, the main point of my post was the government's £1.6 billion support funding for TfL.

cantkeepawayforever · 24/08/2020 20:52

@StaffAssociationRepresentative

Typical Westminster approach on masks. Let's not have a plan and then when it goes tits up blame the teachers and say they should have worn masks
While expunging the part of the guidance that said to take them off in school and over-writing it, then claiming that the guidance had ALWAYS been to wear masks, why hadn't teachers been doing so?
Clavinova · 24/08/2020 20:52

Typical Westminster approach on masks. Let's not have a plan and then when it goes tits up blame the teachers and say they should have worn masks.

The school term hasn't started in England - what has Nicola Sturgeon decided?

ChavvySexPond · 24/08/2020 20:52

@Clavinova

A whopping additional £151 a day to get 1000 kids to school then.

Many schools are located in urban areas, pupils walk or cycle to school, others come by car...

It's £151 a day shared between 1000 kids at our school.
Clavinova · 24/08/2020 20:57

It's £151 a day shared between 1000 kids at our school.

How many kids attend your school in total?

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