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Will my estranged son ever forgive me?

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Fourleafcloverhope · 18/08/2020 11:32

My son is 25, he started smoking weed at around 15 years old. I tried everything I could to stop him, including physically asking him to be banned from the ‘home’ of a friend where he used to go where the mother freely allowed it.

He has had a troubled past ten years since then, including gambling, depression, self-hate, in and out of jobs, lying, thieving etc. I’ve done all I could from talking to him in-depth, counselling, sending him to rehab (at his request), paying off debts, finding new jobs for him, sourcing new flats/apartments and setting him up each time, liaising with landlords, paying off previous rent arrears and getting new deposits sorted because after enthusing about the new flat he would within (literally) days decide it wasn’t quite right and want somewhere better. I found him jobs which he promptly left if someone spoke to him ‘out of turn’. He refused to contribute to the household running, leaving me with severe financial problems.

The thing is, he blames me for the way he is now. His father left when he was 3 and it did hit him hard, but I tried to compensate. His father has been a complete let down and disappointed him over the years which I always tried to make up for and distract from. We have been able to talk about this but he says it’s my fault for choosing such a rubbish human being as a father for my children. I can’t turn the clock back so what does he expect me to do. I wasn’t a perfect parent but I was kind and caring, loving and fun, I worked hard, gave up on looking for any sort of boyfriend for 15 years to focus on bringing them up, took them to stately homes (ironically), gave them all the care and attention I could in games, parties, treats, etc. I keep trawling back over their past to see where I went wrong (my daughter has lots of lovely memories) but feel I must be missing something.

I now feel incredibly guilty for the way he has turned out, should I have done more, should I have changed everything? He blames me for living in the wrong area, wrong type of house, sending him to the wrong school, for not finding a male partner to provide a suitable role model. He ostracised himself from the entire family including his younger sibling (who is absolutely fine, hardworking, balanced, loving towards me, self-sufficient). He has now slowly recovered with a lot of support from grandparents and me and is working – he has rediscovered his relationships with the whole family, aunts, father, grandparents etc – except me. He maintains that he wants to keep a distance and will only come to me if he needs something (a pattern that has gone on for years). He reconnects on social media to ask for something then immediately cuts me off. He ignores my calls and messages. Everyone else finds him charming, confident, eloquent and caring, it’s just me that he shows his dark, nasty side to.

The thing is, I can’t be happy. Everything in my life is good or ok. My DP who I’ve been with for four years has no patience left with my son. He was initially very generous and caring towards my son’s needs but is now past caring after seeing what he calls as abuse continue. I feel I can’t move on. I feel alternately incredibly sad, a failure, haunted by what he see as me letting him down to feeling absolutely furious that he is treating me this way. He was my first born and I loved him so intensely, I have so many happy memories and photos of his upbringing. I know I’m deeply depressed over this, despite having a stable career, loving DP and daughter, I almost feel suicidal sometimes. Why would another human being treat someone like this? Why punish me so badly whilst now embracing the rest of the family he previously ‘hated’ (don't get me wrong, I'm happy about that, it's just humiliating that I have to get news of him from other members of the family). I’m left totally deflated and have burnt through all my savings, in fact got myself into debt financing him. I’ve had to stop now at my DP’s insistence as it was getting us nowhere, something else my son resents, as he thinks I somehow ‘owe him’.

How do I move on? Has anyone else managed to successfully move on with their life when their child has estranged themselves? I believe the weed changed intrinsically the person he was but he won’t hear of it, instead blaming me for everything.

I'd love to hear of other's experiences and opinions.

AIBU to hope he might change?

OP posts:
Dennysheart · 18/08/2020 11:38

You’re not unreasonable to hope he will change but I’d be prepared for him not to. It sounds as if you’ve done everything you can and I think at some point you have to stop, let him know you’ll always love him and you’ll be there for him but he’s the only one who can make changes.

ClaudiaWankleman · 18/08/2020 11:43

I believe the weed changed intrinsically the person he was but he won’t hear of it, instead blaming me for everything

This is how addicts think. While we can have sympathy for their predicament, we should never accept responsibility. Addictions might form in a sub-optimal environment, but that doesn't make the active decisions made by an addict our fault.

You have to move on in the knowledge that it was the weed, gambling, whatever else, and your son's active decisions that put him in this situation. People grow up with let down fathers and worse, and don't become your son.

OlympicProcrastinator · 18/08/2020 11:48

Hi OP. It sounds as though your guilt about his fathers uselessness has resulted in you over compensating. Sometimes we can love people too much insofar as, we give, give and give some more without ever really demanding the one thing that you have to have in return for a relationship to flourish; respect.

He has absolutely no respect for you. The more you enable his flaky behaviour by paying off rent arrears and getting him into housing that he drops after a few days for ‘not being quite right’, the more you are sending the message that you are a doormat. You can love someone but command respect from them. You can tell your children ‘no’ and tell them that you won’t help them while they are disrespectful. By constantly trying to compensate for others people’s behaviour (his dad) you are sending the message it is somehow your fault.

Start to work on your boundaries and stop sending letters. If he only pops up to ask for something, don’t behave like you are grateful for any crumb of attention he gives you by responding. Tell him firmly you are not responsible for his dad / life choices and to start taking responsibility for himself.

He treats you this way be he can.

UsedUpUsername · 18/08/2020 11:49

This is so heartbreaking and I recognise this dynamic in my own family. There’s nothing you can do but let him know the door is open when (if 😢) he’s ready. He has a lot of work to do to pull himself out.

Addiction is a horrible thing. There’s evidence that cannabis on a developing brain can cause harm in susceptible individuals.

SarahBellam · 18/08/2020 11:49

Your son is a dick. He is a grown man. He makes his own life choices. If he chooses to play the victim that is an active choice he’s making, and he’s making it because if he didn’t he would have to accept responsibility for the state in which he finds himself. He’s pulling the ‘I didn’t ask to be born. You owe me a living’ stunt that 9 year olds pull. Loads of people have shit fathers and grow up to be perfectly decent human beings. That’s the choice they make. Your son has chosen to be a dick and you shouldn’t be enabling him further. Making him stand on his own two feet might be the kick up the arse he needs.

SarahBellam · 18/08/2020 11:51

And stop giving him stuff. He’s using you. Your DP is right. This is abuse.

malificent7 · 18/08/2020 11:54

None of this is your fault. I think my 12 year old dd thjnks it's my fault her dad left ( it isn't) and takes it out on me.
He is an addict and you are a convenient punchbag. Time for tough love. Don't offer him a penny. I hate this notion that weed is harmless, it is a nasty, pervasive drug that society has been soft on for too long.

Flatpackback · 18/08/2020 11:54

It’s heart breaking but the reality is you can’t change other people. It’s extremely hard to change yourself even with minor habits or behaviours that don’t serve you well and you know you need to change. This is why people continually fail with things like diets etc, it’s too damn hard. Add in a physical addiction and the change becomes even harder. I think as others have said, you have to leave him to it as only he can make the changes and he has to want to. Love is not enough, no one ever changes to make someone else happy.

Birkiebabe · 18/08/2020 11:56

Everyone I know from teenage years who was properly into smoking weed has damaged their mental health in some way.
I think you sound like you’ve done everything you can for your son, and if he still wishes to treat you with such sustain you have to let him go, he’s a fully fledged adult now- time to sort his own living arrangements and jobs out.

ThickFast · 18/08/2020 11:57

That’s so sad. It seems like he is directing the anger about his dad, at you. Which is not right and very unhelpful. He probably treats you like shit because he knows you’ll always be there. Except he should be growing out of this by now. I agree with your DP about not giving him any more money and only being in contact when he wants something. That’s crap behaviour. And it also doesn’t help him.

ClementineWoolysocks · 18/08/2020 12:00

He's 25, at some point we all have to stop blaming the stuff that happened in our childhoods for the way we are now.

MrsOrMiss · 18/08/2020 12:00

Hi Op,
I totally understand your pain BUT, he's being a dick. Let him go - you wouldn't permit a stranger to treat you so appallingly don't accept it from him. Please don't keep thinking 'If only I did x y z ...he'll be better' he won't because he's decided to be a dick.

One day he MAY realise, but he never will if you allow it to carry on. YOU deserve happiness, love and respect, he's not willing to give you that right now.
It's OK to cut him off, keep the interaction to a minimum, to not initiate contact, it will be hard, but YOUR life is what matters most now. He's a grown ass adult, it's time for him to own it.

I've done the same myself for various reasons, can't say it's helped the situation, but it has helped my mental health. My son initiated contact now after 3 years of silence.

Best of luck

HollowTalk · 18/08/2020 12:04

So he is telling you in so many words that he wants nothing to do with you, but when he wants you for your money, he will unblock you to ask for it, then block you again?

I think it might take years to rebuild this relationship, unfortunately. Take your lead from your partner and daughter, and put down really strong boundaries.

I really feel for you and think weed and a sense of entitlement can turn someone into a really nasty piece of work.

Ohtherewearethen · 18/08/2020 12:04

Your son is a spoilt, obnoxious arsehole. I got so annoyed reading that. Who the hell does he think he is, treating you like that? I'm not at all surprised your partner has said enough is enough. You clearly love and care for him very much and he has thrown it back at you in a very cruel way. You do not owe him anything. He needs to grow up PDQ and realise the world (or his mother) does not owe him a living. This must be heartbreaking for you but I think you just need to be less available for him. Outwardly care less. You're his punch bag because you're his mother and will always love him. Time to step back and make him stand on his own two feet I think.

CantSleepClownsWillEatMe · 18/08/2020 12:05

Yanbu to hope he might change but that may not happen for some time, if at all.

What you really need to work on is your guilt. Stop accepting his accusations as the truth. You’ve done your best by him as a child and as an adult but his unhealthy narrative allows him to continue to see his life as your responsibility. It’s not and you need to tell yourself that until you start believing it.

He’s a grown man now and irrespective of what he believes you got wrong, he’s responsible for himself as an adult. He’s abusing you rather than examine his own decisions and life choices but you don’t have to let him.

DillonPanthersTexas · 18/08/2020 12:06

Your DP is right, he is abusing you and quite frankly taking the piss. You need to think about yourself and your mental health for a change. Seek some therapy so you can pick your way through this learn to shed the guilt and love yourself again. You are not a bad person and none of this is your fault. He is a grown man and needs to stand on his own two feet instead of just using you when convenient and making you feel grateful for it.

WaltzfortheMars · 18/08/2020 12:12

He is an adult, he won't grow up until he takes responsibility for his own life. I don't think you should feel guilty at all. You have done enough.
I don't think it's a good idea to help him out financially anymore, unless he changes his way. You don't want a child who blames parents for his life at 40/50/whatever.

AnyFucker · 18/08/2020 12:12

Good advice above. I have nothing to add except to say I am so sorry. His cruelty towards you is awful. Please try to detach.

CloudPop · 18/08/2020 12:14

What an awful situation. Best wishes for finding some sort of resolution. Take care of yourself.

craggymaggie · 18/08/2020 12:14

Put yourself first from now on. Work on your own self-esteem, practice mindfulness, do some online CBT. Learn to love yourself and believe in yourself. You are a strong woman and a fantastic mother.

You have done everything you can for your son and now he is an adult, Let him go. Let him do what he wants, see who he wants, and don't allow him to manipulate you into feeling guilty and unhappy.

Be kind to yourself.

CleverCatty · 18/08/2020 12:17

He is being a dick and let him go. He will come back to you when ready

SirVixofVixHall · 18/08/2020 12:20

He needs to grow up and stop behaving like a giant baby. You sound a very loving parent, yet he blames you rather than his feckless Dad, and can’t take any responsibility for his own life, while holding you responsible for everything.
Try to take a step back OP. Focus on yourself, on your daughter , on things that make you happy.

Chloemol · 18/08/2020 12:20

Time to put yourself first. Your daughter has proved what a loving person you are, you treated them the same, but they have taken different oaths, and that’s down to your sons choice.

I have no doubt personally smoking weed has something to do with it, but you can’t blame yourself you did what it took to try and help him, having it all thrown back in your face

Now it’s time to cut the apron strings, next t9me he wants something don’t give it to him, explain you can’t afford it, haven’t the time or whatever, time he stood on his own

Focus on yourself, your partner and your daughter. Leave the door open for him, but on your terms not his

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 18/08/2020 12:23

The thing is, I can’t be happy. Everything in my life is good or ok

Your DS is ruining his own life. Please don't let him ruin yours. It's not fair to you, but it's also really unfair on your DD and DP. Think how it must make them feel when you focus only on your DS and your unhappiness. I know this may sound harsh, but it's actually quite cruel to them and a bit self-indulgent. You're choosing to let your son's selfishness spoil 4 people's lives (him, you, DP, DD). You need to move on and focus on your loving relationships.

Starsabove1 · 18/08/2020 12:24

@Fourleafcloverhope I’m so sorry, that sounds incredibly painful and his behaviour is cruel.

To echo what other posters have said - you need to draw some boundaries. There is nothing you will ever be able to do to help your son or fix the relationship until he stops being the victim and takes responsibility for his own actions.

Learn how to say no to his using and abusing.

Focus on the people who love and care for you.

Don’t focus on why he can be so lovely to everyone else but not you - he can’t manipulate them the same way he can you with his on/off behaviour that is all.

He does this because ironically he knows your love is deep enough that he can behave like this with no consequences. No matter how cruel and awful he is, you will be there.

He needs to learn that there is a limit to everything and for everyone and he’s reached it and what the consequences are.

Good luck.