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AIBU or is DH over this petty argument?

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StupidArgument · 16/08/2020 21:57

For background, DH has a brother in law, Brian, who is quite pedantic, he likes things his way, he doesn't like windows or doors open or unlocked, even in the recent hot weather.

DH and I today have had a nice day, went for a long dog walk and made a nice dinner, watched a film etc but towards the end of the day we were both feeling a bit bored.

DH asked if we could go to bed early tonight, it was 8:30, I said fine shall we finish watching this program and go up at 9? He said "I have to be up really early" so I said should we just go up now then, but I was slightly irritated because we ended up having a conversation about it with him being a bit funny with his answers to me and me having to guess what he was hinting at instead of just saying "can we go to bed now as I have to be up really early".

Then, I was locking up and he had a moan at me about where I put my keys for the night and that I shouldn't put them there, I should put them there instead, and how I didn't lock the bolt properly. I didn't really say anything to him about it in reply.

He went upstairs before me, and as I was walking up he called to me "I wish you'd be a bit more security conscious" and I said "what do you mean?" and he said "you've left all the windows open up here". Five windows are open, 3 are just on the latches so can't be opened more, one was fully opened by him and one by me. I told him this and he started saying "don't come crying to me when someone robs you" and I just snapped and said "sorry, Brian"

He called me a sarcastic bitch and then he called me "Doreen" - my Mum's name. He said it was disgusting that I'd called him Brian and that I'd really hurt him. I said "Look, I'm sorry I called you that--" and he cut me off and said "you need to apologise to me". We got into a stupid, petty argument then with him saying "you need to apologise to me" and me saying "I just did" over and over, and writing all this down it just sounds absolutely ridiculous. He told me I can fuck off and that he doesn't accept my apology and went to get in the shower. I changed the bed sheets and when he came back I apologised again but he still told me to fuck off and that he doesn't accept my apology as I really hurt him. I left him for half an hour watching TV in bed while I came in another room and then tried apologising again but he said the same.

I do feel bad now for saying that as I only said it because I was annoyed and my temper flared, but I felt like I had kept my cool about the stuff before and having a go about open windows, when it is still warm and stuffy here, it just pushed me over the edge and I snapped at him.

AIBU or is he? Or are we both just BU and childish? He's gone to sleep now, what should I do in the morning?

OP posts:
Graciebobcat · 21/08/2020 14:35

And why is he "giving you money"? Do you not earn your own money and both pay proportionately into a joint account to pay bills? Have I fallen through a wormhole into the 1950s?

StupidArgument · 21/08/2020 15:08

@Graciebobcat

And why is he "giving you money"? Do you not earn your own money and both pay proportionately into a joint account to pay bills? Have I fallen through a wormhole into the 1950s?
I work for his business. Giving me money was probably not the best way to say it, we do have a joint account for the bills.
OP posts:
Nanny0gg · 21/08/2020 15:16

[quote StupidArgument]**@Nanny0gg* Why do you 'love' him? What about him is loveable?
In what way is he loving towards you?

Does he put you first? Consider your feelings? Does he do anything to make you happy? Your life easier?
Does he want what's best for you?*

I think, in his own way, he thinks he is doing the right thing by me. He likes things his own way and always thinks he knows best, in all situations. It's why he has to have his own business. I think if I said he was abusive he would be shocked, he wouldn't think of himself like that. He thinks because he gives me money and he works hard he is taking care of me. I'm grateful that he is generous with money but sometimes it feels like a double edged sword. For example, he will take me on a lovely holiday, but we have to go and be away for Christmas, because that's the only time of year that his work industry stops, so he is forced to have time off. Whereas I would be happy with a much simpler holiday in the summer.

He rarely goes out drinking, he doesn't smoke or do drugs or gamble, these are things he sees as bad habits and so by not doing them it's a good thing for me. And I think he thinks that because he works so hard, he deserves to have me take care of him.

I've been a doormat, I know I have. Looking back I feel like I should have seen it coming, but it's been so gradual. The boiling frog analogy that other people have mentioned is so true.[/quote]
This is my point really.

You couldn't answer the question. You can't explain why you love him.
Probably because you don't. You just think that you should because of the things he apparently does for you.
But they're not for you. They're for him to control and to prove what a good husband he is.

Do you think you would be able to see a counsellor? You could really benefit from a good one.

WinterAndRoughWeather · 21/08/2020 15:23

Maybe you don’t love him, maybe you’re just used to him and can’t imagine your life not entangled in this relationship.

I really don't want to say this, but this is something that I have been considering too.

The reason I asked is that my grandparents were married for over 60 years, but were awful to each other for most of that time. My Nanna would always tell us stories about the one that got away and how she shouldn’t have married grandad.

They were just used to each other though, and (sometimes) called it love, so they never did anything to change it. It was such a miserable environment my mum (only child) left home and moved to the other end of the country as soon as she could.

Popc0rn · 21/08/2020 19:17

33 is SO young. This time next year you could be on your way to being a qualified teacher, or living in a new city in the UK, or living abroad teaching English? There are so many options available for you to pick from if you leave him. You sound so unhappy and your current life sounds so rigid, imagine if/when you do leave and you can do what you want and try new things. It's probably a scary thought but also an exciting one!

So you have your own bank account? Do you have any savings? When I was young my friends mum told me to make sure I wasn't financially dependent on a man and to make sure I always had a "running away fund" just in case, which is good advice I think. I love my boyfriend and am happy, but it's nice to know I have the means to move out if I needed to.

StupidArgument · 22/08/2020 13:43

@Popc0rn

33 is SO young. This time next year you could be on your way to being a qualified teacher, or living in a new city in the UK, or living abroad teaching English? There are so many options available for you to pick from if you leave him. You sound so unhappy and your current life sounds so rigid, imagine if/when you do leave and you can do what you want and try new things. It's probably a scary thought but also an exciting one!

So you have your own bank account? Do you have any savings? When I was young my friends mum told me to make sure I wasn't financially dependent on a man and to make sure I always had a "running away fund" just in case, which is good advice I think. I love my boyfriend and am happy, but it's nice to know I have the means to move out if I needed to.

I have my own money and bank account and savings. I heard about the idea of a "running away fund" on Mumsnet actually and set one up a few years ago. I don't have loads in the way of savings but I do have enough to scrape by for a couple of months.
OP posts:
Daftapath · 22/08/2020 13:45

You would be entitled to half of your joint savings, I would have thought. Well, I would take half and let him argue about it once you have. Don't ask him.

Is there much equity in the house?

timeisnotaline · 24/08/2020 09:20

Yes to half the joint savings. That’s the joint part of it!

nestisflown · 24/08/2020 10:19

Good luck with your interview today, OP!

billy1966 · 24/08/2020 10:47

The very best of luck OP🤞🤞

Toriathebadger · 24/08/2020 11:04

Yes, good luck today! Hope it goes well x

Catmaiden · 24/08/2020 13:07

Best of luck today with your interview, OP!

KatherineJaneway · 24/08/2020 18:40

Hope it went well!

TaraR2020 · 24/08/2020 20:36

Congratulations on your interview, that's a fantastic achievement!

I'm a long time lurker, but I did want to reply to your thread. I feel so much for you, the advice you've been given here is so great but you must be going through so much right now trying to get your head around it.

I've been supporting a friend through lockdown leaving an abusive partner, and I'd like to share a few things that I hope might help you.

Women's Aid is a great resource, there's also a lot of information on Refuge so do take a look. Both charities can help you come up with an exit plan as well, if and when you're ready to make the break.

Youll find pages on their websites about this, including lists of things to take (eg passport and important docs)

There are forums out there specifically for domestic abuse survivors and I know of some friends who drew the strength they needed to leave from them (not that everyone here hasn't been great to you).

I'm also going to highlight another resource, I'm not suggesting for a moment you'll need it, but if you do then it will really help you to know it's there...It's the National Centre for Domestic Violence - they provide a free service to obtain an emergency injunction against the abusive party should you need it. It isn't just for people experiencing violence, but those experiencing any form of abuse - coercive control, emotional, financial etc.

In the last few months, I've found them very helpful and they can turn things round in just a day or two. They'll organise a solicitor who will manage the legal aspect so the applicant doesnt need to do much, and they're sensitive about communications so won't call unless it's safe to do so - or you can nominate a trusted friend to be your point of contact. They arrange legal aid to cover fees to it's free to use. It can be done completely confidentially without the abusice party's knowledge until the injunction is served.

If you choose to leave and are worried about finances, do some research in your evenings while he's asleep at what resources there are available to you.

There may well be local grants that can help with living costs etc. Should you be accepted onto your course as well, ask about bursaries and scholarship funds.

Take a look at Turn2us- they have a search facility to look for local grants in your area that you might be eligible for. For student costs, you can also do a web search for grants and bursaries.

I think the fact that you already have a 'running away fund' shows that subconsciously you knew you either wanted to or had to leave some point. Our gut instinct is very powerful.

And you are powerful. You might not feel it yet, but give it time, you have far more strength and resilience than you know. I understand how frightening it is, the idea of striking out on your own, but you absolutely have the capability to do so and you WILL make a success of it.

I listened to a podcast recently where a woman said how she'd dithered at doing a PhD later in life - she said she'd be 50 by the time she got it. 'But,' said her tutor, 'you'll be 50 and have a PhD '

The world is your oyster and you're about to see how much is out there waiting for you. :)

Don't let anyone convince you that you cannot cope without your husband, you absolutely can. If you ever find that he is manipulating you or undermining you, ask yourself what the benefit to him is...chances are it'll be a way to ensure he maintains his power and have you at his beck and call.

I noticed you said that you felt you had to keep apologising to keep the peace even when you realised it was him in the wrong. It's OK to do what you need to in order to keep yourself physically and emotionally safe.
If you feel that you need to play along in order to keep the peace, to keep your head clear so you can think, then that's OK.
You said you can't up and leave straight away, that's OK. Do what you need to do to enable you to leave - it might take a bit of time, but you've evidently already started down that road and that takes enormous strength.

Know that however you decide to go about leaving, it's your choice and can be done entirely your way, in the way you feel most comfortable with. All the advice you'll receive, it might feel a little overwhelming at times but you don't have to do anything you don't choose to, even if other people don't understand.

Guilt at choosing to change things and take control of your life is completely normal. Just remember that you are NOT a bad person and in choosing to do so you have no reason to feel guilty.

I will add that i know some abusive partners don't realise how bad their behaviour is. This doesn't offer an excuse for it or make it ok in the slightest. For example, it is often the case that when presented with an injunction they are pulled up short and can suddenly realise and accept their behaviour. However bad their abusive behaviour may be, many then back off with the intervention. So... if you think it's something that at any point you think might be helpful, don't be put off by 'what ifs'. You can always give them a call and talk through your worries and fears- they deal with it day in and day out. Again, I'm not saying an injunction is needed in your case, i don't know and it might not be, just that if it is, it's not nearly as scary as it may sound.

You might find Tara Swart's book 'The Source' helpful too :) It can help you see how much is in your control and manage anxiety etc. Talk to your GP as well, when you're ready, they can be a great support. And perhaps, reach out to your family?

You're clearly really resilient already, with your own numerous coping strategies. Have faith- lots of people change their lives in there 30s (or later!) You still have so much living to do, the way you want to do it.

And it really is brilliant news about your interview! :)

TheMadShip · 24/08/2020 20:37

Hi OP,

I've been following your thread and was thinking of you and your interview today. You have lots of women cheering you on.

There are plenty of wise people who can offer advice, but just know that there are lurkers like me who wish you all the best and are excited for you and your new chapter.

TorkTorkBam · 24/08/2020 20:53

Did he sabotage you by creating a row / worry / disaster the night before? I would expect him to have done something to disrupt your sleep and take your attention away from the interview.

LemonyFace · 24/08/2020 21:00

Hope the interview went well today @StupidArgument! You've your whole life in front of you, live it well.
Flowers for you, for being so strong.

StupidArgument · 25/08/2020 12:26

Thank you all so much for the well wishes about my interview. It actually got rescheduled to today, I've just finished it and...

I got offered a place!!!

I can't believe it, I feel like I can't quite catch my breath. I'm happy and excited and also terrified all at once!

I got some really lovely feedback from the person who interviewed me as well, I can't believe this dream of mine has actually come true - or at least step 1 of it Grin

I've been taking things one thing at a time since posting on here, and I've been so focused on this interview, so I'm a bit scared of what comes next and I'm going to make a plan to get through it but I'm going to forget about that today and just be happy.

OP posts:
LannieDuck · 25/08/2020 12:27

Wow, fantastic news - well done!

WinterAndRoughWeather · 25/08/2020 12:28

Bloody fantastic. Congratulations!

Onwards and upwards...

TorkTorkBam · 25/08/2020 12:37

Fantastic!

If he tries to rain on your parade make sure you are carrying an umbrella

KatherineJaneway · 25/08/2020 12:37

Well done! Flowers

BluebellsGreenbells · 25/08/2020 12:39

Brilliant news! How exciting!

Vodkacranberryplease · 25/08/2020 12:41

Ha! I knew you would get it!!!!! With extra feedback too!!

God have you any idea how wonderful your life could be soon????

Many men struggle to deal with things like this. They are scared of being left behind and act out. Your H is going to be absolutely in bits though. Expect to get guilted, yelled at, ignored and more. How dare you abandon his business? What about your vows? Who is going to support you? He won't because he will have to pay someone extra! How could you do this to him? It's years before you could make money! There's no guarantee of a job and in fact there's an over supply of teachers! (There's not)

A teacher friend of mine had just swanned off to Dubai to do two years. Was staying in a luxury hotel. Now living in a luxury apartment, with a pool. And I do mean luxury. For free. Getting paid loads. Loads. She's 40.

So pleased for you!!! You will love it too

Happynow001 · 25/08/2020 12:43

Whoop! Whoop! @StupidArgument.

So very well done - that's definitely a step in the right direction for you. Hold this in both hands, focus on it and what it means for your future. 👏🏻 👏🏻 🌹