To think if you chose to go abroad during a pandemic it serves you right?

[FunnysInLaJardin]

I get that folk feel they deserve a holiday, but if you travel during the current pandemic you shouldn't complain if rules suddenly change before you get home.

Anyone with half a wit could see that it was a risky thing to do to take a holiday at this time.

Yep, we are all responsible for our actions.

Risk preparedness/risk aversion differ between people.

Had I known then what I know now I'd not have gong on the holiday I booked almost 1 year ago, but I did, had a lovely time and am now quarantining. Hey ho.
I suppose I am not on Twitter moaning about it.

OP have a medal for being Right.

@Toomuchtrouble4me

My 21yr old son is in Italy on a long planned holiday with his girlfriend. I hope they have a lovely time and no, I don't think that they 'deserve' to get Covid19 but I do find your attitude disgusting.

Who said anyone deserves to get COVID?

You were missed, PD

However people do need to be less self indulgent- we don't need holidays abroad and even visiting family isn't a must unless there's particular circumstances.

It's bloody hard going sometimes of course, but to the PP saying that their child isn't interested in video calls- they aren't now. My son first met my mother at 4, he absolutely did know who she was and now they've forged a lovely relationship. It's just harder, but certainly not impossible.

@Jihhery

What's scary is how much people trust the government. They said it was ok so people assumed it would be ok. Now they're often shocked and outraged because they weren't given a warning that no thinking individual would need.

You don't think that people should be able to trust the people who are supposed to be in charge of the country?

I don't think that they 'deserve' to get Covid19 but I do find your attitude disgusting.

OP didn't actually say that, though.

Pacif1cDogwood I do wonder if you're the sort of person the OP is talking about- I mean you understood that you might need to quarantine and have got on with it- that's perfectly reasonable IMO.

Close friend of mine went back home a couple of weeks ago, quarantine wasn't necessary. It is now- she's had a mild grumble about her luck and is now planning accordingly.

Well I wouldn't say they deserve all they get, but I do think its utter madness, and that a lot of people haven't really thought through all the potential issues. Where I live the border is shut. We have to apply to leave the country, and as there are very few flights they are extremely expensive. When you get back into the country you have to pay for two weeks hotel quarantine. But most people are very happy with these restrictions, because it means we have no covid, and can lead a normal life! Just before the restrictions came in a friend of mine flew out of the country against Foreign office advice (and also mine). He got stuck in Bali, he was unable to get on his booked flight back to Melbourne as he is not an Australian resident. He ended up having to pay out for two more weeks in a hotel before he was able to get an emergency repatriation flight home costing 3k each, and then he had to quarantine, it nearly cost him his job. So watching people blithely go to Spain or whatever, potentially spreading the virus, often with no insurance and risking getting stuck there, just seems like all kinds of crazy to me.

I'm sorry, but it was always a choice to travel. Losing money on a holiday doesn't meant the choice still didn't exist; they chose to take the chance rather than lose money.

It's why we have stayed in the country this summer.

@Prettybluepigeons

I'll tell you what..this virus has really shown up how many thoroughly unpleasant, petty, unkind, smug, officious people there are about.

Nail hitting head.

Forgive me for asking a possibly idiotic question. If someone flies to France/Spain with a Mask on (as they won't be permitted to travel otherwise) , uses the hand sanitisers available everywhere they go and also practices social distancing at all times and wears a mask, then how is this person endangering anyone more thAn they would if they were doing in the UK? Even if the R rate us slightly higher in France than the UK.. if they are doing all of the above then I don't see why everyone is saying they are mad/ selfish/ endangering lives etc?

Our neighbours changed their holiday in France for one here. They are returning to somewhere they know. I think that is quite sensible.

I Have declared a staycation this week while the weather is warm. I have done the bare necessity of housework. We have had two bbqs & treated ourselves to 🍤 prawns etc.
I have sat outside reading my book. Had breakfast outside after a lie in and tonight we went for a drive along the coast and watched the sunset. We are not going to the pub in our village because it has closed down so we have bought extra wine, Pimms and gin.
It is very relaxing no hours in traffic queues, no waiting for flights or ferries and no disco till the early hours outside the apartment.

DS1&2nd have both been tested in the last few weeks because of positive readings associated with work. DS2 has been tested three times in the last few weeks. He cancelled his holiday booked last year.
Their sister is still in NZ she has been there since November I think she has stopped worrying about trying to get home and making the most/of it. We think she is safer there.

There are very few situations where I think "serves you right". It's just a bit of an odd and unpleasant mentality, no?
It doesn't usually speak well of someone.

Boo hoo.

I do condemn those who are so self-centered that all they think of is their own family's gratification.

Sorry but no one ever died of missing their relatives. If it's that important, don't make a life abroad in the first place.

Wow were you born this nasty or did you have to work at it?

@Lemonsaretheonlyfruit

Forgive me for asking a possibly idiotic question. If someone flies to France/Spain with a Mask on (as they won't be permitted to travel otherwise) , uses the hand sanitisers available everywhere they go and also practices social distancing at all times and wears a mask, then how is this person endangering anyone more thAn they would if they were doing in the UK? Even if the R rate us slightly higher in France than the UK.. if they are doing all of the above then I don't see why everyone is saying they are mad/ selfish/ endangering lives etc?

Because, Lemon, because! Planes are just full of Covid, everyone knows this! The people are hoaching with it and NO ONE should ever fly again, never mind the environment, it's just selfish, you know. They're all mad. They should stay home, we have no deal Brexit to watch, this one's gonna be REALLY fun to go through, too.

I haven't spoken to them yet because of the date my policy expires. The return trip is covered by a different provider as I didn't renew the last policy with the same company. The new policy is much more comprehensive - for instance it covers medical expenses should I contract Covid-19 abroad, and repatriation but the excess is higher.
The accommodation isn't an issue as I'm a regular visitor to the hotel and would have paid on arrival.
I shall try to move the holiday to later in the year and hope for the best.

Lemonsaretheonlyfruit I guess it's because nobody wants to deal with another country's patients in case they do get covid. And probably the fact that some popular tourist areas are a bit like Cornwall over here- lovely, but few beds in hospitals as they aren't needed normally. However if lots of tourists flood the area and get sick, where do locals go?

PerveenMistry

“Boo hoo.

I do condemn those who are so self-centered that all they think of is their own family's gratification.

Sorry but no one ever died of missing their relatives. If it's that important, don't make a life abroad in the first place.“

Oh silly us, I see where we went wrong now! My husband should have seen this pandemic coming when he moved to ireland 10 years ago! Of course it’s all his fault that he made a life abroad! 😂 Your comment is pathetic and stupid. And as I said we have chosen NOT to see his parents but I have chosen not to be a smug covid keyboard warrior judging everyone else’s choices.

I completely agree with you. Also those that CHOSE to book a holiday during this pandemic clearly have short term memory loss of lock down. Imbeciles.

^
This.
Apparently they are all on MN too.

Not in the UK/Europe and when I told people here that several friends from back home were off on holiday, people here literally didn't believe me.

It is unthinkable to me. I have family in the UK I'd love to visit or come visit me but it's just not the time.

People are odd.

@IdblowJonSnow

There are very few situations where I think "serves you right". It's just a bit of an odd and unpleasant mentality, no? It doesn't usually speak well of someone.

Exactly.

I live in France and cannot imagine wanting to get on a plane, not to go on holiday and not even for me or DH to go to the UK to see our widowed mothers. DH was vaguely thinking of driving but won't be doing it if he has to quarantine. We are mostly staying home, seeing a few friends, enjoying summer in our garden. If the numbers slow down we might drive a few hours to see friends next month. It's not ideal but there's a pandemic! The world (and hopefully our mothers) will still be there next year. Also I feel much safer here with my private health insurance knowing that if I do catch Covid I'll be treated before I turn blue, unlike in the U.K.!

Not serves you right as such, but I've voted YANBU, as no-one deserves that.... but I do think FFS, come onnnnn, we've literally just started coming out of lockdown.
You KNOW that it's brand new territory for everyone, you know that information and circumstances could change.
If you go ahead knowing that but book anyway, then on your head be it,
I think there comes a time we have to start taking responsibility for ourselves.
I've heard "but the Government said we could!"
Yessssss, but surely personal responsibility and common sense kicks in as well? (Or at least you'd think?)
Weigh up the risks.
If you can afford to quarantine when you get back/have the means to get home if travel suddenly pulled, fair enough - but if you don't, bloody daft to be going out in the first place.
I'm no Boris fan but I think he can't do right for doing wrong as the saying goes here - he's acting swiftly, people moan. He dithers, people still moan!

YANBU