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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To think this was just weird behaviour from SIL?

142 replies

EmeraldEast · 13/08/2020 11:09

I should say before I start that SIL (DH’s sister) and I have never gotten on. She made it clear from the first time we met that she instantly didn’t like me and has been nothing but hostile ever since (and it’s been 8 years!) Apart from a ‘hello’ when I first see her, she’ll completely ignore me for the rest of the time and will only speak to DH. He has pulled her up on it and asked what her problem is with me but she just denies that there is one.

Anyway, PIL and SIL and her husband and son were around on Sunday for lunch. PIL, DH and I were sat round the table talking. SIL & BIL were showing their son something in the garden, they all came back in and SIL joined in the convo (Probably because I wasn’t really part of the covo, they were talking about DIY on their house) anyway, SIL whilst talking, stands behind DH, puts her arms around his shoulders and starts sort of hugging him. This is so random and DH looked up as if to say ‘who the F is that?!’ She then starts massaging his neck and shoulders whilst talking. He looked a bit surprised at first but then started saying ‘that feels nice actually, my neck’s been killing me all week.’ Neither her husband or her parents said anything or looked surprised.

I felt completely ‘ew’ about it, and pretty much had to stop myself from saying ‘you might as well cock your leg and piss up him.’ She’s 33 years old FFS.

I have 2 brothers and honestly, if I’d have done that in front of either of their wives I know they would’ve been a bit like ‘WTF?’ So would my parents and so would both my brothers come to that.

I mentioned it to my DH after and he said it was a little out of context and not normal for them but it was something and nothing. I said no, it was her marking her territory which is incestuous and weird in siblings in their mid / late 30’s!!

AIBU?

OP posts:
RedHelenB · 13/08/2020 14:18

She will always be his sister. You may not always be his wife. Stop with the jealousy and paranoia. You don't have to like her, she doesn't have to like you.

Meripenopause · 13/08/2020 14:20

I know where you are coming from too. The word I would use is 'spousify' rather than incest!
My SIL was similar. I have been with DH for over 30 years. Looking at my wedding photos, it's hard to tell who DH was marrying as SIL was hanging onto DH and pulling him close in most of them.
It didn't help that she is very tall and very good-looking, the golden child of the family, every word hung onto.
All these years later I get on fine with her (and with my elderly ILs), but I must admit I used to make incest jokes to DH (taking the piss made it less annoying).

EmeraldEast · 13/08/2020 14:21

How on earth are my thoughts ‘disturbing’ again, putting aside the use of the word ‘incest’ which I probably shouldn’t have used and apologise for, how is it not odd/ rude when someone starts hugging and massaging someone else when they’re in the middle of a group conversation?! It’s rude and inappropriate IMO. Like I’ve said, husband and I give each other massages, but I certainly wouldn’t start doing it when he’s amongst a group of people, trying to have a conversation. And if it were one of my brothers? No chance. You can show closeness/ affection to a sibling without doing that. Never mind the fact that she started straight at me throughout.

OP posts:
PablosHoney · 13/08/2020 14:22

😂😂😂

Cam2020 · 13/08/2020 14:30

SIL is a bitch and definitely marking her territory.

I didn't take your original post to mean that you thought it was literally incestuous and managed to read it without feeling disturbed Grin

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 13/08/2020 14:31

Goodness me @EmeraldEast is getting far too much flak on here. It's the SIL who is inappropriate and rude. Cut her out of your life emerald. Your DH shouldn't have to be encouraged to be in his sister's and nephew's lives, leave him to it.

Grapewrath · 13/08/2020 14:36

I think it’s weirder that they are at your house for Sunday lunch when SIL clearly doesn’t like you. Why are you hosting her?

hellofromcornwall · 13/08/2020 14:39

I have a similar Sister in Law with the ignoring / wont make eye contact thing.

I spent ages one Christmas choosing her a book. And I knew she loved it when she opened her present. But she didn’t say thank you. She didn’t even look at me. She said thank you to DH after I left the room.

I haven’t bothered trying since Sad

The massage thing is a bit weird if it’s new behaviour. Definitely not normal in our families....The coffee advert video made me laugh out loud though Grin

CuriousaboutSamphire · 13/08/2020 14:43

This is the bloke's sister we are talking about. Oddly I did understand that! I was just pointing out that family relationships can be weird in all sorts of ways. If one person chooses to become proprietorial over another it can be very odd to explain how it makes you feel! Most pople would dismiss your concerns... as OP sems to have found.

My apologies if my tale of similar proprietorial behaviour annoyed you, oh Forum Monitor!

Standrewsschool · 13/08/2020 14:46

I think that’s weird, even in huggy families, and especially if it’s new behaviour.

I understand what you mean by incestuous. Ie. Over-familiar.

unlikelytobe · 13/08/2020 14:52

Of course, some siblings are tactile and hug/massage etc but the way you describe it that was obviously an OTT performance for your benefit what with the eye contact and all. She's found a new way to push one of your buttons!

8 years of that rudeness? I'd have called her out on it by now or stopped bothering with her. If you can't think of any incidents that prompted this antipathy then she just has an irrational (?) dislike of you and is possessive of her brother. It probably won't improve any time soon.

dontdisturbmenow · 13/08/2020 14:53

The fact she stared me out whilst doing it makes me think it was her marking her territory and I just find that totally unnecessary
Exactly, so why are you letting it bother you? Laugh at her behaviour. It has no impact on you.

As to whether it's normal or not, I think it quite depends on whose oldest. I can imagine my SIL doing it to my OH but he wouldn't like it (he wouldn't want anyone to give him massage), I can imagine my DD doing it to my son's but in both cases, the girl is the eldest.

I can't imagine my niece doing it to her elder brother.

AntiHop · 13/08/2020 14:54

Yabu for saying it's incestuous then pretending you didn't mean that when lots of people pointed out you are overreacting.

However, the way she's treating you is totally unacceptable and your DH needs to put his foot down with her, or tell her to bugger off out of your lives.

GCHWho · 13/08/2020 14:55

Lighthearted. I think a simple “ Calm your tits, Cersei ! ‘ to be the most straight forwards way here. Remember lighthearted.

Ihopeyourcakeisshit · 13/08/2020 14:57
Grin
YorkshireTeaIsTheBest · 13/08/2020 15:01

@Cam2020

SIL is a bitch and definitely marking her territory.

I didn't take your original post to mean that you thought it was literally incestuous and managed to read it without feeling disturbed Grin

I agree with Cam2020. That's exactly it -you say he has pulled her up on it OP-how ? And does he pull her up on it every time? Personally I'd kill her with love -and make sure I kept talking to it and ridiculously nice to her ALL the time.
MilerVino · 13/08/2020 15:14

The Merriam Webster dictionary gives two definitions of incestuous. The second is 'excessively or improperly intimate or exclusive' which IMO pretty accurately describes the SIL's behaviour.

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/incestuous

IntermittentParps · 13/08/2020 15:41

“ Calm your tits, Cersei !" Grin*

MrsMayo · 13/08/2020 15:41

I'd hug my Brother but I wouldn't massage his neck.

nothh · 13/08/2020 15:53

It’s weird. The thought of doing that to my brother makes me feel a bit comfortable. And if I did, he would be creeped out.

nothh · 13/08/2020 15:53

Not comfortable - clearly, I mean VOM.

Miranda15110 · 13/08/2020 15:56

Sounds nutty. When I meet weird people like this I like to be extra extra nice to them just to let them know that a) I don't give a shit and b) they end up being shown up for what they are. It's quite funny seeing them freak out without saying anything. Mine in particular were 3 SILs who informed me at my hen party that if their mother was alive there was no way I'd be marrying husband (ex I might add). I replied with something like 'oh dear that's a shame because I thought she sounded lovely'. Week before wedding the daughter of one of them decides she doesn't want to be bridesmaid. 'Oh don't worry I have a stand in, both 10 years and similar size'. I totally didn't care and wouldn't react. Throughout the fairly short marriage lots of nasty little tricks but I just kept being nice to them.

PurplePattern · 13/08/2020 16:03

^SIL is a bitch and definitely marking her territory.

I didn't take your original post to mean that you thought it was literally incestuous and managed to read it without feeling disturbed^

Completely agree with the aboveWink

YANBU to see her behavior for what it is, clear as day, because:

  1. She does not like you
  2. They don't normally do this
I would not want her in my home, DH needs to be very clear that unless she changes her behavior towards you (probably unlikely) she's not welcome in your home. Exactly the same rules apply as to MIL's or anyone on his side, friends, family, etc who disrespect you : he needs stand up for you.

I feel sorry for you about this, it's not nice.

PurplePattern · 13/08/2020 16:06

And thanks to posters who put up the Coffee ad and Friends episodesGrin

ineedaholidaynow · 13/08/2020 16:22

I would find it weird particularly at the moment as we are not meant to be getting up close and personal to people, and this seems to be a new behaviour

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