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AIBU?

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To be annoyed that partner looked during childbirth?

876 replies

IsoBordem · 09/08/2020 09:06

I recently had a pretty terrible birth experience. It was the most dehumanising experience I have ever gone through. The hourly internal exams (done twice due to a student midwife) was already pushing my limits.

Before the birth I had one request for my partner - I did not want him looking down there at any point. During the delivery the doctors offered for him to have a look, even though I said I would prefer if he didn't. He ended up watching twice.

I know I am likely being unreasonable to be annoyed. I just wished the one person who was meant to be supporting me would have listened to my wishes rather than dismissing me like my doctor did.

OP posts:
MouthBreathingRage · 09/08/2020 10:39

So morally does your self confidence trump his right to see his baby actually being born in to the world?....

'His baby' again Hmm. Gosh, maybe birthing rooms should just have full mirrors in place so the mum can have a first hand view of her baby being born. Except she has other things to be focusing on whilst her husband gets to use her vagina as his own personal Lifetime moment Hmm.

sugarfreemint · 09/08/2020 10:40

Trump his right to see his baby actually being born in to the world?....

What ‘right’ do men have to stand at the business and watch the baby being pushed out? Confused
It’s even down to the woman if they’re present in the room. Just how do you put the priorities of the man over the comfort and distress of the labouring woman?

My second birth, my DH stayed up by my shoulder. He was still in the room witnessing the birth and seeing his brand new baby lifted up and extremely moved/emotional. Just because he didn’t get a full-on view of all the gore didn’t make it less magical.

Tistheseason17 · 09/08/2020 10:40

Having read your last post, what I'm understanding is that you said no to a lot of things and your requests were ignored and your DH did not support you in these requests and subsequently also ignored your express request to not look. This was prob the straw that broke the camel's back during a horrific labour. Flowers

I'm really sorry you had this experience. I had an awful first labour but my DH was there for me and made sure my wishes were heard. He did not want to look but was persuaded my midwives to look and says it was the best experience ever and he'll never forget how I brought his DC to him.

In time it will be positive that he looked, but right now there are too many negatives on how he did not advocate your other wishes - have you spoken to him about it?

PanamaPattie · 09/08/2020 10:40

Good to see mothers on here supporting another mother through a difficult birth and not being judgmental and victim blaming. 🙄

TableFlowerss · 09/08/2020 10:40

@Choochoose

So morally does your self confidence trump his right to see his baby actually being born in to the world?....

But it's not just to do with self confidence is it, and yes, yes it does.

Well of course it’s to do with self confidence.

No one will thrive in the idea if their partner seeing their bits during childbirth, because they’ll worry the DP may be put off. I can understand that.

Yes it should be the woman’s choice as it is her body, however morally (not legally) is it fair for the woman to stop her DP seeing the magical moment of his baby coming in to the world, on the back of what I’ve just described above?

It’s such a magical moment that the doctors and nurses are wanting to include the dad. I could understand if baby was born and doctor was saying “come and look at these stitches”

Longpigs · 09/08/2020 10:41

OP, I had a similar birth to yours. I've not "got over it" 18 years later, either physically or emotionally. I don't think AIBU is the right place for this. Your feelings about it all are going to be so muddled up, particularly as there is the hormonal soup to contend with as it all happened recently.

I think you need to talk to people IRL about this (and not necessarily to your partner, in the first instance). I wish I had asked for more help/counselling to come to terms with some of the things that happened during my first delivery, but a) I was brought up to 'get on with it', and b) there was relatively little support available then.

You will in due course need to tell your partner how his actions made you feel - but I don't think this is the moment. Not least as he's likely to write it off as you 'being post-natal/hormonal/whatever' if it's relatively soon after the birth.

MarthasGinYard · 09/08/2020 10:41

Bloody hell I'm shocked at some of these responses.

nitsandwormsdodger · 09/08/2020 10:43

I'd rather be checked than not checked and students need to be taught
My partner thought it was amazing to see baby come out
Yes your body, your rules
Your experience could have been so much worse
If your partner is put off you by seeing your bits he's a bit fickle

alittlehelp · 09/08/2020 10:43

You have every right to be angry about this, I certainly would be. Regardless of how excited you are etc you don't look at someone's genitals without their consent!

DuggeeHugs · 09/08/2020 10:44

YANBU OP and I'm sorry you had such an awful time Flowers

You were let down by your doctors and your partner at a time when listening to, and supporting, you should have been their priority.

sugarfreemint · 09/08/2020 10:44

And also I don’t get these comments about how birth is ‘invasive’ anyway so it doesn’t matter.

I could come to terms with the forceps and extra people in the room and other undignified bits because it was necessary for a safe birth. My DH being pulled to the business end to watch everything absolutely was not necessary and that’s the difference.

You can’t say ‘well all these undignified things can happen so there’s just no point giving you choice or privacy when it an option’

Alexandernevermind · 09/08/2020 10:44

To be honest @IsoBordem I thought you were being a bit OTT until I saw your update. Your update was a frightening one because of the fact that you expressed your wishes but you were ignored by both the doctor and your husband during the labour. Women telling you that you shouldn't be worried about your dignity in a long term relationship is equally frightening.
Yes, this is an exciting time for the dad, but the mother and the baby are the patients.
Moving forward I agree with those who say you need to take this further. Speak to your midwife, write to the hospital and have some serious talks with your husband in a controlled environment. Until you have aired your grievances and have been listened and acknowledged you will carry this as resentment towards your husband.

Elsiebear90 · 09/08/2020 10:46

That's a very extreme thing to say, we all know how crazy it is when a baby is born, all common sense, normality, whatever goes out the window. He was there for your support, but also for his baby, whether he forgot, got caught up in the moment, whether he knew he'd regret it if he didn't and his reaction was to look, it wasn't a spiteful or oneupmanship thing, he looked to see his baby being born. You can all talk about it being a woman's body, but his child was being born. Hope you're okay though OP!

It’s not an extreme thing to say, it happened! She was asked if he could look and she said no, he looked anyway. It’s not like he forgot in the excitement, he and everyone there heard her say no and decided to ignore her because his right to look at her genitals was presumably more important than her right to refuse? That’s essentially what you’re saying when you say “it’s his child too”. That because she’s giving birth to “his” child his right to watch is more important than her right for privacy and dignity. What if they weren’t in a relationship any more? Does he still have the right to view her genitals without her permission because it’s “his child”? Consent is consent, it doesn’t disappear because the people involved are in a relationship or because it’s child birth.

FrootTheLoot · 09/08/2020 10:46

I am absolutely gobsmacked at some of these responses! Shock

No one has a right to gawp at a woman's body if she has specifically asked them not to, whether or not that body is in the process of delivering 'his baby'.

It's OPs body!!

catsjammies · 09/08/2020 10:46

I'm so sorry you had such an awful experience OP, I know how it feels to be traumatised by birth and it's so jarring. I honestly felt like the day of my first child's birth was the worst day of my life for the experience I went through, and to have people exclaiming how wonderful it all was, was so confusing for me. You feel violated, and you need to be supported and listened to. YANBU at all. Please get in touch with the Birth Trauma Association if you feel like you need more support, they're wonderful.

sugarfreemint · 09/08/2020 10:46

I’m shocked at some of these responses too.
We have such a long way to go with childbirth and attitudes to women’s rights it’s absolutely depressing.

squeekums · 09/08/2020 10:46

YABU to be so precious about dignity in a long term, serious relationship. Sorry
How sad, so women shouldn't expect dignity in front of a long term partner? We allowed it and ENTITLED to it.

Presumably he looks when you have sex so I'm not sure why this is any different.*
How can you not see the difference apart from being deliberately a twat

As for students - how do you think they train???
I don't care as long as it's not me. Medical shit is hard and scary enough, I ain't some teaching prop .

alittlehelp · 09/08/2020 10:47

It is irrelevant why the Op didn't want him to look. She didn't and she told him that. But it may be to do with a lot more than 'self confidence'.

CrowdedHouseinQuarantine · 09/08/2020 10:47

congratulations on the birth of your baby.
please find some consolation in the event that produced a healthy baby and enjoy your family Thanks

oldstripeyNEWname1 · 09/08/2020 10:48

Cross posted.

Birth can be traumatic. Triggering. Even if the staff are amazing. Especially if they're useless. Students can be fabulous, or not. Your experience is your experience, can't take that away. But try to make sense of it, so you can work, live with it, so it doesn't marr early time with baby.

Please ask for a review of your case with your midwife, or escalate to ask for one with Director of Midwives ASAP, for your own mental health. As a priority.

PALS will support you. It's not being difficult, it's not being unreasonable, it's part of managing your own wellbeing and care plan. AND hospitals need the feedback to know their systems and staff aren't working effectively.

ADDITIONALLY to that, you have to talk to your partner. Communicate. At its most simplest, there is the authority complex here. People do what someone in authority tells them to do, even when it goes against their gut instinct. Factor in fear, a white coat or medical title and it will increase the authority/obedience.

Yeah, maybe he fancied copping a look at your fanjo. Or maybe he was freaking out that birth is crazy. He knew his one job was not to look and support you. And here's this Dr Authority saying not once, but multiple times it will be fine if you and your partner do what he says. So your partner caved & does what he's told when told to look by an authority figure.

Doesn't excuse, does explain. Does not excuse or explain Drs behaviour.

If you still don't feel he supported you, get someone else (mum, friend) who has been through birth to advocate/support you to speak to PALS.

2155User · 09/08/2020 10:49

OP, totally ignoring your DH situation, it really does come across as if the medical team were not in control.

You pushed for 3 hours? I'm pretty sure the max. limit is 2 hours

They don't sound as if they respected you and I would be putting in a complaint

MouthBreathingRage · 09/08/2020 10:49

@MarthasGinYard

Bloody hell I'm shocked at some of these responses.
Me too. I hope most of the people responding that the op should get over it, that it's a man's rignt to have a good look at her genitals because it's 'his baby' being born and basically telling her she lost all rights to her body as soon as she became a walking incubator don't teach these ideals to their poor daughters. Or maybe they'll be the type that demands to be in the room when 'their grandchild' are born, because babies are wonderful, sod how the mother feels.
stayathomer · 09/08/2020 10:50

But he's not looking at her genitals, he's looking at the baby coming out

GoldenOmber · 09/08/2020 10:51

@SnuggyBuggy

Women aren't just baby producing husks to make other people happy
Yes! God this thread is depressing. "Ooh maybe he couldn't help himself, ooh maybe his dad instinct took over, it's SUCH a magical moment for a bloke, how mean of you to think that you get any say at all about who looks at your vagina!" Fuck's sake.

YANBU OP. Have a word with your husband (he should know how you feel about this otherwise you'll just end up silently resenting him) and complain about that doctor.

GoldenOmber · 09/08/2020 10:51

@stayathomer

But he's not looking at her genitals, he's looking at the baby coming out
And it's coming out of....?
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