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Am I being tight or is he?

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Flymeaway4 · 08/08/2020 14:38

My fiancé and I are expecting our first child. We live in my fiancé’s house and I pay him rent of £300/month.

He also rents out 2 rooms of the house to a friend for £515, but because the baby is coming we’ve decided it’s best for him to move out. So, my question is about what my rent should be now.

I suggested he work out the cost of his mortgage and all bills and split it down the middle, which would come to £390. He thinks it should be more......

Together we have purchased a derelict farmhouse, which we intend to refurbish into our forever home - we paid in cash and the refurb should start in about 6-9 months. We’re both fairly well off, earn about the same salary, but he has other houses that he rents out, so he has more cash savings than me. When we purchased the farmhouse, he put in a larger proportion of cash than I did (I’ve so far provided just over 25%) and the intention is that it’ll even out when I pay off the mortgage that we’ll need for the refurb.

I’ll add here that I was a first time buyer and had he been as well we’d have had no stamp duty to pay. But because he owns more than 1 house it put it up to just over £8k. To keep the peace I just paid half.

Since then, he has managed to save all the cash he needs to provide towards the refurb, c. £100k. But he is saying, instead of keeping it as cash and earning nothing from it, he could use it to pay off the mortgage on one of his rental houses now. If he doesn’t do this, we can use the cash for the refurb first, then I could delay getting the refurb mortgage that I need, thereby saving me money (it’s more expensive than a normal mortgage). It would be delayed by about 4 months, but this would mean I can get one with a 1yr term instead of 2 yrs, before remortgaging. So, to compensate for him not paying off his rental property mortgage now, he thinks I should pay half of it as additional rent (an extra £160/month). But, I argued that if he were to pay off his rental mortgage now, then he would also need an expensive refurb mortgage too, so keeping the cash is saving him money as well, not just me.

As an aside, I am not allowed to do my regular job whilst pregnant (not corona related, it’s just how it is) and am working from home, but my take home pay is reduced by about £500/month. So I’m also losing about £4K in total each time I’m pregnant with our child.

Complicated I know, which is why I can’t tell who is being tight/unreasonable.

OP posts:
howfarwevecome · 09/08/2020 12:38

Perhaps you should tell him you want to get married now, before the baby comes, to protect all of you going forward. Suggest booking a slot at the local registry office.

His response may just tell you what you need to know about your relationship.

weltenbummler · 09/08/2020 14:44

@howfarwevecome

Perhaps you should tell him you want to get married now, before the baby comes, to protect all of you going forward. Suggest booking a slot at the local registry office.

His response may just tell you what you need to know about your relationship.

Agree! OP please look after yourself! A previous poster described you as young and you took offence. I think some of us more seasoned mothers are just concerned how vulnerable your current position is and from your posts you come across as not really grasping how enormously parenthood will change your life
billy1966 · 09/08/2020 15:07

OP,
You sound very young, naive and vulnerable.

You sound determined that his meanness and tightness is not a flaw.

Come back to us in a couple of years and tell us how you got on.

Meanness goes to the absolute core of a mand and dictates their ever action.

They ALWAYS want to be ahead.

But you are very sure that his meanness is nothing to be concerned about.

Experience tells me you have absolutely no idea what it is like to raise children with a man willing to financially screw you.

Good luck!Flowers

chatterbugmegastar · 09/08/2020 17:12

A previous poster described you as young and you took offence. I think some of us more seasoned mothers are just concerned how vulnerable your current position is and from your posts you come across as not really grasping how enormously parenthood will change your life

It was me who described the OP as young and I do appreciate that I came across, to the OP , as patronising.

I'm sorry for that

But to me she does seem young. Perhaps naive is a better word to use

There is an issue because she posted here and yet once many of us find other additional issues, she becomes defensive

Her whole situation bothers me enormously

Flymeaway4 · 09/08/2020 19:03

@rvby you have really by suggesting he’s mean and he’s far from it! He’s careful with money, overly so perhaps particularly on this occasion, but the opposite would be worse, as would being lazy, possessive, untrustworthy, cheating, The list goes on and he’s none of those things. It’s very easy to be judgemental over the internet, isn’t it!

@yoyo1234 thank you for your help, some really good points you’ve made. We purchased as joint tenants, not tenants in common, so that mitigates that issue. I do think we need to talk about wills again with the baby on the way though, so I will broach that topic. We’re very lucky in that both our parents/brothers sisters live very close by, so that will help, but I’m hoping the 75% combined with weekend working will limit any paid childcare we need, although I also think it’s good for a child’s development to socialise with other children and be more independent, so we’re not ruling it out entirely. We both agree about baby cost being joint, hence the new joint account for things like that. I think we both understand that if something unexpected happens we’ll have to adjust plans, but that’s also part of life and we can’t plan for every eventuality. It is a good point though and it would be worth us discussing some eventualities, so we both are better prepared. Wouldn’t it be more worrying if I weren’t saving for it? It’s a joint cost and responsibility, as you say, and I’m very aware of how expensive the first year can be. If I can make a work from home role work, then great and the savings can be used for the refurb instead, but if I can’t, I don’t want to rely solely on his savings to keep me afloat and there’s no way I can make SMP alone work. Unfortunately, we don’t think £100k will make it liveable, but there is a possibility it could get it structurally sound/plumbed etc to scrape the definitions required for a regular mortgage, but we won’t know that til further down the line. So we’re planning on worst case for now. Those are all considerations and nothing is set in stone, especially given the current ever changing corona situation, but I’ve always thought more time together as a family is something money just can’t buy.

@Motoko I will look it up, thank you. I think this will be a big separate conversation as well, as I’m not sure I’d want his properties left to me, I’d rather they went straight to the children, but I’ve no idea if this is possible/sensible/tax efficient. I definitely need more info. Equally weddings are expensive and there are also benefits to getting in our house sooner rather than later.

@user1471481356 the cash we have really is allocated to the refurb, but that may well be an idea for the future one the house is done.

@MrsGrindah @chatterbugmegastar wouldn’t you be if mr grindah’s character was being attacked by ill-informed people online? If you’ve read everything I think you’ll find I’ve been quite receptive to those with sensible suggestions, comments and ideas, it’s those who have been judgemental without being constructive or just plain rude that I take issue with.

@bluegreygreen that may have worked for you, but we and a lot of other couples want an element of independence in their relationships too. The loan is mine, it’s enabled me to build my career and contribute to all our futures, I own that and I’m proud of that and I want responsibility for that, the same for him and his houses. That works for us.

@Redlocks28 @EmbarrassedUser at the risk of sounding like a broken record, I’ve used the word rent to describe the contribution I make towards the running cost of our household, I’m not sure what else to label it as. Unless you’re another one who thinks I should live for free?!

@Honeyroar if you do, I hope last week brought you good news.

@PeggySueOooOo good idea about the list, so we both know what we consider joint and separate. Also a good point about jointly funding either of our reduced incomes. I think we need to talk about this more thoroughly

@howfarwevecome I already know his answer, that’s the cheaper option so he’d probably jump at it! But I don’t want to get married just for the contract. Clearly a lot will disagree with me, but I want the celebration and the public proclamation, that means just as much to me as a signature

@weltenbummler @Chatterbugmegastar I did because I’m 34, not some naive teenager that accidentally got knocked up! And what you think comes across as concerned is actually pretty condescending. This baby is several years in the planning and wanted by us both and of course I know parenthood changes you, but I don’t think anyone is properly prepared for that before it happens, so I won’t pretend to be. I would argue that being aware of that and being aware of what I don’t (and can’t) know actually makes me less naive, which is why I’m trying to be as prepared and as informed as I can be, about what I can be, and why we’re having these discussions now. I have only been defensive where my fiancé or my judgement have been attacked, anyone who has made constructive comments without being patronising have been well received.

@billy1966 I think I’ve stated exactly the opposite! He is not mean, he is very kind and in a lot of ways a better person that I am! and I’ve said him being tight is his flaw, but nobody is perfect and being frivolous with money would be worse! So many have judged him as mean based on one scenario and it’s just not true, so why shouldn’t I defend him?! Would a mean person have got on their bike in the rain to help search for a stranger’s dog simply because it had been spotted locally?! He’s a good man and I’m very lucky in a lot of ways

OP posts:
GeorgiaGirl52 · 09/08/2020 19:22

Flymeaway4:

@GeorgiaGirl52 are you another one who relies entirely on someone else in order to live then? Just because I'm pregnant doesn't mean I want to sit on my arse and let someone else pay my way!

In fact I am a mother of three who worked full-time for over 30 years and totally supported my children all the way through college. No government aid of any kind. And before you get snarky, there was no support from the fathers because they were all adopted by me.

You say you are engaged to be married. You are having his baby. A marriage is a partnership. You are carrying the baby - he should be carrying more of the financial burden. When the baby comes, are you going to pay extra rent because now there are two of you sitting on your arse?

rvby · 09/08/2020 19:30

you have really by suggesting he’s mean and he’s far from it!

... he is penny pinching and profiting off of a pregnant woman.
When he owns several properties.
And the woman in question is pregnant by him.

What's your definition of "mean"? Because this guy's behaviour around money is on the level of a Dickensian villain, based on the facts you've shared. No amount of cycling around looking for lost dogs will make up for that when you are post partum and the reality of all this hits you like a sledgehammer.

The real reason you're so defensive is that you're hearing a grain of truth that you hadn't considered before, I think.

If I were you, honestly I would nip this penny pinching in the bud, pronto, and with aggressive wording. Dont let him profit off of you. It's degrading, dehumanizing, and dismissive of your worth as a human being, never mind as a partner. You arent a diamond mine or a factory ffs, he has no right to wring money from you like this. Get a spine and turn off the money taps, set expectations for shared resources as the backbone of family life.

I read your op to my dp, the stepfather of my DC with whom I've never had children, and even he was aghast at the way your dp is treating you. Even as a stepfather he would never be this mean to me. This from a man who practices contract law and manages huge sums of money for the public sector... !! You are being had, my dear.

offandaway · 09/08/2020 19:30

“My fiancé and I are expecting our first child. We live in my fiancé’s house and I pay him rent of £300/month.“

Sorry OP, I have not RTFT and I didn’t even read past these first two sentences because this is so utterly beyond insane.,

What kind of man takes rent off the woman carrying his child? I have no words ....

WellIWasInTheNeighbourhoo · 09/08/2020 19:32

Any costs as a result of you both becoming parents should be shared, this includes your loss of income. And I sincerely hope he does not think you should be covering all maternity and childcare costs going forward. If you both want to look at this a business arrangement financially then do ensure it is a fair one to you. Your time costs just as much as his.

SimonJT · 09/08/2020 19:34

@offandaway

“My fiancé and I are expecting our first child. We live in my fiancé’s house and I pay him rent of £300/month.“

Sorry OP, I have not RTFT and I didn’t even read past these first two sentences because this is so utterly beyond insane.,

What kind of man takes rent off the woman carrying his child? I have no words ....

Yet another person who thinks being pregnant means you can live entirely on someones elses money and keep every penny you earn to yourself.

Bonkers.

CherryPavlova · 09/08/2020 19:35

@offandaway

“My fiancé and I are expecting our first child. We live in my fiancé’s house and I pay him rent of £300/month.“

Sorry OP, I have not RTFT and I didn’t even read past these first two sentences because this is so utterly beyond insane.,

What kind of man takes rent off the woman carrying his child? I have no words ....

This exactly.

It beggars belief that a baby is on the way before the couple have agreed ground rules and finances.

offandaway · 09/08/2020 19:38

Er no .. I am not bonkers and this man is a total disgrace to men and the entire planet. This is sooo far from normal, I can’t even begin.

Who bloody cares how many dogs he rescued in the bloody rain?

Maybe the OP could suggest the baby pays some rent too?

VinylDetective · 09/08/2020 19:40

but I want the celebration and the public proclamation, that means just as much to me as a signature

You need to take your rose coloured specs off. The signature is the thing that counts, the rest is just fluff. If you were my daughter, I’d be horrified at the situation you’re sleep walking into. Just get married, it will be the best £100 odd you’ll ever spend. If he’s prepared to rip you off now, he won’t hesitate to take you for every penny down the line.

mumof2exhausted · 09/08/2020 19:42

Find this kind of situation insane. You shouldn’t be paying your husband to be / father of your child “rent”. Seriously this isn’t his marriage should be. When I moved in with boyfriend briefly before buying our own home together I didn’t pay him rent as he had to pay his mortgage anyway and it was his home that he owned. He didn’t expect me to help pay off his mortgage. Once we bought our own home together I used savings I’d made whilst living with him as part of deposit. We were very honest about money early doors and 12 years and 3 kids later have never argued about money. When I was on mat leave I used joint account for shopping etc so didn’t worry about money. We always say what his is mine and mine is his. We’re married

rvby · 09/08/2020 19:46

Yet another person who thinks being pregnant means you can live entirely on someones elses money and keep every penny you earn to yourself. - not sure you're reading the op and other posts correctly.

I pay my way and always have - i think the op and her partner should split living costs according to their incomes. I've said that, and so have many others.

But this guy is requiring the op to reimburse him for the amount he is paying on a mortgage, for a house she doesn't own, because he has 100k in cash set aside to renovate their family home, which he could have theoretically spent paying down said mortgage.

That is bizarre. This is the kind of penny pinching that belongs in a dickens novel, or the terms of a company merger. I think that is what most people are reacting to.

1Morewineplease · 09/08/2020 19:49

@weltenbummler

Reading your posts his main focus appears to be to protect his own finances rather than looking at creating a family with you where you are in it together and help each other- be it financially or in the amount of time and sacrifice you both commit to makingfamilylife work. You need to challenge him on coming clean on what his priorities actually are...you and your baby's wellbeing in a joint future or his wealth?
OP I really hope that you’ve read this post.
offandaway · 09/08/2020 19:52

Thos is like one of those slow-moving psychological horror-suspense movies where you want to grab the OP, pull her out of the TV and shout, “WAKE UP WOMAN” and “RUN!!!”

Nanny0gg · 09/08/2020 20:10

What a soulless way to enter into a family relationship.

airbags · 09/08/2020 20:18

" I’ve only been paying £300 because there has been another lodger here who also contributes,"
That sentence says so much... ANOTHER LODGER! No, you're engaged and carrying his baby!!!
He is a tightwad and should be ashamed of his treatment of you - the fact that he want to profit out of you says it all.
So, when you're on reduced pay on mat leave is he going to do the right thing and support the mother of his child? Or will the greedy twat still want to profit from you.

Good luck being married to this one - you'll need it.

billy1966 · 09/08/2020 20:36

Sounds like it won't be a child that will be at the heart of your relationship with this man but constant negotiations about MONEY.

His god is clearly money.
He will always be focused on the minding, keeping, accumulating, maximising his money at the cost of his child and its mother.

Clearly you'll have to be knee deep in the situation before you will get it.

Deeply unhealthy, but that's what you want to settle for and is all you believe you deserve.

It will be your child who will suffer most in this dynamic.

Best of luck OP.Flowers

airbags · 09/08/2020 20:37

"but I’m hoping the 75% combined with weekend working will limit any paid childcare we need, although I also think it’s good for a child’s development to socialise with other children" -

What age are you talking about? This won't be the case for a number of years, they play independently for the first 3 years, they don't do socialising or sharing.

airbags · 09/08/2020 20:41

"I've known him 20 years and I'm confident he is not like this."

Then why do you need to come on here asking strangers if we think he's tight?

Hardbackwriter · 09/08/2020 20:51

@airbags

"but I’m hoping the 75% combined with weekend working will limit any paid childcare we need, although I also think it’s good for a child’s development to socialise with other children" -

What age are you talking about? This won't be the case for a number of years, they play independently for the first 3 years, they don't do socialising or sharing.

It's not especially relevant to this post but my two year old absolutely does socialise with other children and visibly gets a lot out of it. I spent this afternoon watching him play with his cousin of the same age, and he tells me frequently about his 'nursery friends'.
Daisydoesnt · 09/08/2020 21:02

So let me get this straight.....

Your partner has over £100k in cash savings, several properties, plus the farmhouse you own jointly with a half acre garden in a lovely village. Your job is well paid but not taxing and not too time consuming. And yet you all live in a housing estate with the smell of weed wafting in, & a lodger renting two rooms from you.

Eh????

sruitfalad · 09/08/2020 21:12

Fucking hell, you're engaged, you're expecting his baby and he's splitting hairs over how much rent you pay on his property that helps him pay off his mortgage on a place you most likely won't benefit from once the mortgage is paid off? It doesn't matter how rich you both or, etc. IME, it's a matter of principles. Will you be charging him for taking time out to have and raise his baby? Doing the cooking/cleaning? Keeping house? I'd tell him to fuck off and pay his own mortgage on his properties and save your money for the refurb of the new house that'll benefit you in the long run. Being a judgey fucker, I can't help but wonder what a tight arse he is and how he'll make your life miserable later on but that's just me. Hope I'm wrong.