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Am I being tight or is he?

246 replies

Flymeaway4 · 08/08/2020 14:38

My fiancé and I are expecting our first child. We live in my fiancé’s house and I pay him rent of £300/month.

He also rents out 2 rooms of the house to a friend for £515, but because the baby is coming we’ve decided it’s best for him to move out. So, my question is about what my rent should be now.

I suggested he work out the cost of his mortgage and all bills and split it down the middle, which would come to £390. He thinks it should be more......

Together we have purchased a derelict farmhouse, which we intend to refurbish into our forever home - we paid in cash and the refurb should start in about 6-9 months. We’re both fairly well off, earn about the same salary, but he has other houses that he rents out, so he has more cash savings than me. When we purchased the farmhouse, he put in a larger proportion of cash than I did (I’ve so far provided just over 25%) and the intention is that it’ll even out when I pay off the mortgage that we’ll need for the refurb.

I’ll add here that I was a first time buyer and had he been as well we’d have had no stamp duty to pay. But because he owns more than 1 house it put it up to just over £8k. To keep the peace I just paid half.

Since then, he has managed to save all the cash he needs to provide towards the refurb, c. £100k. But he is saying, instead of keeping it as cash and earning nothing from it, he could use it to pay off the mortgage on one of his rental houses now. If he doesn’t do this, we can use the cash for the refurb first, then I could delay getting the refurb mortgage that I need, thereby saving me money (it’s more expensive than a normal mortgage). It would be delayed by about 4 months, but this would mean I can get one with a 1yr term instead of 2 yrs, before remortgaging. So, to compensate for him not paying off his rental property mortgage now, he thinks I should pay half of it as additional rent (an extra £160/month). But, I argued that if he were to pay off his rental mortgage now, then he would also need an expensive refurb mortgage too, so keeping the cash is saving him money as well, not just me.

As an aside, I am not allowed to do my regular job whilst pregnant (not corona related, it’s just how it is) and am working from home, but my take home pay is reduced by about £500/month. So I’m also losing about £4K in total each time I’m pregnant with our child.

Complicated I know, which is why I can’t tell who is being tight/unreasonable.

OP posts:
chatterbugmegastar · 08/08/2020 19:28

even if he is tight sometimes! And if that’s his one flaw, it could be a lot worse!

Are you very young? A man who is tight with money is abusive

roarfeckingroarr · 08/08/2020 19:33

@Flymeaway4 MN is a bit obsessed with sharing finances and what terms people use. I have no interest in having "one pot". It's also not really possible when one of you enters the relationship with significantly higher assets.

Regarding what DP pays... I saw it as my income was decreasing with the lodger leaving, so DP paid what the lodger had for a few months so I had time to put away reserves and sort my own finances. His suggestion. We now pay half each. The extra 25% would be in a shared savings account but we are keeping our finances legally very separate so he can take advantage of help to buy without being tarnished by my homeowner status.

LoafEater · 08/08/2020 19:37

This doesn't add up to a family situation to me.

shartsi · 08/08/2020 19:45

Some employers would not let you work from home and provide childcare/ look after a baby at the same time. They would expect you to have other child care arrangements. Check that your employer isn't one of them.

Alwaysinpain · 08/08/2020 19:48

You're a Pilot! So jealous, that was my dream job!! ✈️

CandlesBlanketsandTea · 08/08/2020 19:55

I can't see this man marrying you or going part time once the baby is here. OP good luck with your pregnancy, I wish you well for the future but be prepared this might not go as planned.

Alwaysinpain · 08/08/2020 19:57

I guessed even before seeing your username!)

I can totally see why you don't want to change jobs after what it will have cost you for your CPL & ATPL

As for your situation, I would say do whatever is best for the future. I don't mean to be negative but given how the Aviation industry is right now after COVID (I'm a Dispatcher), your hours could (and very well may) reduce. At least over the next couple of years (I'm referring to after your Mat leave).
The aviation industry won't be the same for a very, very long time ConfusedSadThanks

yourestandingonmyneck · 08/08/2020 19:58

@Alwaysinpain

You're a Pilot! So jealous, that was my dream job!! ✈️
Ooh, are you a pilot OP?

I was wondering what your job was.

IceCreamSummer20 · 08/08/2020 19:58

Watch out. I also paid ‘rent’ to DP, we were going to marry etc, I was pregnant with his baby and still paying ‘rent’. Why?!!!

I still ask myself looking back why I didn’t see this as a massive red flag.

You are having his baby fgs! You do not need to pay rent at all. Stop paying.

Viviennemary · 08/08/2020 19:58

Get married. Otherwise you might as well still be a lodger and your partner be your landlord.

Supersimkin2 · 08/08/2020 19:58

He's keener on his buy-to-lets than he is on your or his DC.

OP, my mate had your problem - after the second baby, and oh-so strangely no wedding, DP booted her and the DS's out. Ex-DP said he didn't believe in marriage.

She brought both sons up single-handed leaving her unable to work for years, in a house exDP rented for them. When they hit 18 he stopped paying the rent.

She lost any chance of a roof over her head. EXDP and his wife, neither of whom work as they have large incomes from the rentals, offered my mate a job. As their cleaner.

VinylDetective · 08/08/2020 20:03

Maternity leave is a bit tricky. I’m saving for it, if I need to take it, but I’m hoping I’ll be able to continue working from home (the work is not taxing or too time consuming, I could easily do it around a baby)

There speaks someone who’s never had a baby. The rest of your financial situation is so fucked up I really don’t know where to start, other than to say he saw you coming.

IceCreamSummer20 · 08/08/2020 20:05

Yep I’d second get married. And the sooner rather than later. Sorry to be unromantic.

rvby · 08/08/2020 20:08

Yeah he is definitely not going to marry you OP, I hope thats obvious to you. It would threaten the primacy of his relationship with money.

You're newly qualified in a precarious industry, pregnant to a man who is mean with money, and who you arent married to. You're in really deep shit tbh.

At least your name is on the farm house. Though I suspect he will pay out the first 100k to refurbish, then look to you to pay the rest, while subtly moving the goalposts in such a way that you end up paying WAY more than him for your "half" of the refurb.

In the end you'll find he walks away with (or takes out loans based on) half the equity, having only contribute to a quarter of the refurb. He will find a way to explain to you that the "unforeseen" increased costs for the refurb were your fault as well

Mean men will ruin you, and then explain carefully that you deserved it

ivykaty44 · 08/08/2020 20:09

will you be billing him for carrying the baby and the childcare you do? it seems he wants a cut and dry relationship on financial terms, best get the invoice in now for loss of earnings

SchrodingersImmigrant · 08/08/2020 20:15

Do you all stop paying towards rent or mortgage once you get pregnant?Shock
I missed a trick here!

Kaiserin · 08/08/2020 20:16

I started reading OP's first post, but my eyes just glazed over when I realised the fiancé was essentially planning to charge his own newborn rent (paid by the mum, of course)

Hardbackwriter · 08/08/2020 20:16

I find it so hard to fathom that you were ok with the fact that you moving in was a profit-making venture for him that I can't really get past it to the rest of it.

SimonJT · 08/08/2020 20:18

@SchrodingersImmigrant

Do you all stop paying towards rent or mortgage once you get pregnant?Shock I missed a trick here!
I know, then they call the OPs partner tight!!!
SchrodingersImmigrant · 08/08/2020 20:20

@SimonJT if I knew that I would reconsider my nether regions use😂

Hardbackwriter · 08/08/2020 20:21

@SchrodingersImmigrant

Do you all stop paying towards rent or mortgage once you get pregnant?Shock I missed a trick here!
I don't actually think anything should have changed when OP was pregnant, but I don't think she should ever have been paying £300 a month. She should have paid half of his actual living costs, taking into account the money from the lodger, so £188. Sharing costs is perfectly reasonable, one of you profiting off the other is really gross, and it's a shame OP didn't realise this before getting pregnant.

If this man goes part-time and does the lion's share of the nursery runs I will eat my hat. If they ever get married I will eat the feather on top of the hat, too.

modge · 08/08/2020 20:23

Maternity leave is a bit tricky. I’m saving for it, if I need to take it, but I’m hoping I’ll be able to continue working from home (the work is not taxing or too time consuming, I could easily do it around a baby)

Leaving all the other aspects aside, please don't plan to do this. Even if your employer allowed it, it won't work. I can understand why you think it can in the abstract doing "just a few hours", but it won't.

Otherwise, right now I think you need to agree to the increased contribution to the household expenses but also request a contribution for 50% of your lost earnings due to pregnancy. Start a conversation about how things need to work.

Hardbackwriter · 08/08/2020 20:25

Sorry, my maths was wrong - it's even less that she would have paid if he hadn't been profiting off her, £133. I don't know how long they've lived together but presumably her savings would be a little healthier, too, if he hadn't been taking £167 profit off her every month?

Sometimeswinning · 08/08/2020 20:30

@SimonJT it doesn't. But most partners are also a parent and need to do their bit! It shouldn't always be on mum to give up work/go part time, reduce wages, give up drinking/smoking/pain relief; shellfish, rare steak, the good cheese, their bodies, go through childbirth- I could go on. Financial support would be helpful???

howfarwevecome · 08/08/2020 20:39

He sounds tight and selfish and will hoard anything he can deem 'his' at your expense. not sure he's great partner material....