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Am I horrible wife to not want my Dh to go back down A pay grade?

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Specksofwhiteallaround · 06/08/2020 17:03

Just before lock down my husband was encouraged to apply for a job within his current company that came with a hell of a pay jump - an extra £20 k a year. I can’t go into detail as he works with the MoD but it’s essentially the same as his old job but a larger project hence the pay increase. He dithered a bit as he thought he wouldn’t get it but went for it and after being vouched for by various managers and coworkers above him he got it. He was told at the time if he was too much for him he could go back to his old job with no penalties.
Roll on four or so months and he’s now stressed, convinced he’s holding up the entire project and wants to go back to his old job. My problem with this is he has a horribly negative view of the world and no self confidence at all so he was exactly the same in his old job, only on top of that we were horribly off with money. We could afford our rent and bills but were having to use the credit card frequently for unexpected expenses. Public transport is sketchy and expensive so we never went anywhere unless my parents happened to visit and take us which is pretty embarrassing. Any treats were not an option and if we were given notice from our landlord we would be in an awful position.
He’s also refusing it acknowledge that he hasn’t actually had any time in this job that hasn’t been during lock down and working from home. It’s not an easy job to do at home, at least five of his co workers and managers have gone off work with stress and he was forced to take a week off before he ended up the same. They’ve now taken on additional staff and he admits things would be easier when they’re actually in a normal work environment but doesn’t seem willing to waiting until September when it sounds like they’ll all be back in work and see if there’s an improvement.
For context we have a six year old son who is autistic and attends a special school, I myself do not work as I have severe social anxiety and ptsd on top of that. I’d love to be able to say to him, fine go back to the old job but all I can think is that we can finally get by without getting into debt or worse having handouts from my family and he’s going to throw it all away and go back to a job that he spent just as much time complaining about and he’ll expect me to be sympathetic about it. I can’t even talk about it to my family as I’m mortified about talking to them about finally standing on our own two feet and giving my son everything he misses out on and then having to tell them we’re right back where we started.
I’m just so demoralised by it all that I can’t tell if I’m being completely selfish and if I should be supporting him with his choice.

Sorry I’ve just realised quite what an essay that is Blush

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sonypony · 06/08/2020 20:40

You really need to re apply for DLA and then carers allowance. But yes I agree with you that it would be not ideal for him to step back down before he’s given it a go not in lockdown, as you say it’s very likely to be very different and more what he was hoping for when he applied.

Thisismytimetoshine · 06/08/2020 20:41

Or claim the benefits she's entitled to which will be a huge help from sounds of it.
Why would you suggest someone deliberately take a pay cut because they could top up with benefits? 🙄

AbsentmindedWoman · 06/08/2020 20:42

I don’t wanna hear a million times a day how horrible it is to not be able to afford stuff while he’s simultaneously sabotaging any attempt I made at working.
If I went out and managed to find a job he’d doubtless make a big deal about looking after our son and how hard that is and make me feel guilty for putting that on him on top of his work stress oh and the money stress. I just can’t win.

But as I and other posters have said - you can work for yourself? A few hours a day to suit the timings of your son's school day?

The more you post about your husband the more I think it would be wise to put together a plan for being to earn some money of your own.

SixesAndEights · 06/08/2020 20:42

Some of the posts on here are diabolical.

I agree.

OP, I've had CBT. It was crap. It's the go to therapy for anything and everything where I live, whether it's suitable or not. There are other therapies that may be more suitable for you.

The more I read the more it feels like, no matter how serious and debilitating your husband's mental health problems are, he's really got you in a bind. You feel you can't hassle him because you've got MH issues that are pretty debilitating in themselves. You have responsibility for your son because he doesn't want to deal with him. He doesn't want you to work. He makes it difficult for you to work anyway because he puts work first and refuses to consider a better balance.

Both of you seem to be in a cycle of destruction meaning all the work respondibilty is his, and all the home responsibility is yours, result you are both deeply unhappy.

I may have missed it, has he got help in the past for his MH problems?

PatriciaPerch · 06/08/2020 20:43

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SoloMummy · 06/08/2020 20:43

@Specksofwhiteallaround

Just before lock down my husband was encouraged to apply for a job within his current company that came with a hell of a pay jump - an extra £20 k a year. I can’t go into detail as he works with the MoD but it’s essentially the same as his old job but a larger project hence the pay increase. He dithered a bit as he thought he wouldn’t get it but went for it and after being vouched for by various managers and coworkers above him he got it. He was told at the time if he was too much for him he could go back to his old job with no penalties. Roll on four or so months and he’s now stressed, convinced he’s holding up the entire project and wants to go back to his old job. My problem with this is he has a horribly negative view of the world and no self confidence at all so he was exactly the same in his old job, only on top of that we were horribly off with money. We could afford our rent and bills but were having to use the credit card frequently for unexpected expenses. Public transport is sketchy and expensive so we never went anywhere unless my parents happened to visit and take us which is pretty embarrassing. Any treats were not an option and if we were given notice from our landlord we would be in an awful position. He’s also refusing it acknowledge that he hasn’t actually had any time in this job that hasn’t been during lock down and working from home. It’s not an easy job to do at home, at least five of his co workers and managers have gone off work with stress and he was forced to take a week off before he ended up the same. They’ve now taken on additional staff and he admits things would be easier when they’re actually in a normal work environment but doesn’t seem willing to waiting until September when it sounds like they’ll all be back in work and see if there’s an improvement. For context we have a six year old son who is autistic and attends a special school, I myself do not work as I have severe social anxiety and ptsd on top of that. I’d love to be able to say to him, fine go back to the old job but all I can think is that we can finally get by without getting into debt or worse having handouts from my family and he’s going to throw it all away and go back to a job that he spent just as much time complaining about and he’ll expect me to be sympathetic about it. I can’t even talk about it to my family as I’m mortified about talking to them about finally standing on our own two feet and giving my son everything he misses out on and then having to tell them we’re right back where we started. I’m just so demoralised by it all that I can’t tell if I’m being completely selfish and if I should be supporting him with his choice.

Sorry I’ve just realised quite what an essay that is Blush

You've spent the whole of that post bemoaning and belittling your oh, and don't be2that you should take any financial responsibility for the family, because of your get out card, your severe social anxiety. You need to address that and start earning. You are in effect the one that is causing the issue here, not your oh. He got you to a point of financial independence despite you not proactively trying to remedy the financial situation.
luckylavender · 06/08/2020 20:43

So you can have anxiety but he can't? You can criticise how he is in every job he's ever had but you don't have one. Sickening hypocrisy.

Specksofwhiteallaround · 06/08/2020 20:44

There were a few cleaning jobs advertised last year, the hours over lapped when my sons transport drops him home and Dh can’t leave work earlier. Only other jobs advertised locally have been weekends and evenings. If he drops this role I’ll have to look at taking one and leaving him to it regarding childcare. I just resent that I’ll never hear the end of it from him when he knows how hard I’ll find it to cope anyway. Looks like there’s no way around that though.

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PatriciaPerch · 06/08/2020 20:45

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Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 06/08/2020 20:46

@Specksofwhiteallaround

There were a few cleaning jobs advertised last year, the hours over lapped when my sons transport drops him home and Dh can’t leave work earlier. Only other jobs advertised locally have been weekends and evenings. If he drops this role I’ll have to look at taking one and leaving him to it regarding childcare. I just resent that I’ll never hear the end of it from him when he knows how hard I’ll find it to cope anyway. Looks like there’s no way around that though.
People are talking about you being a self employed cleaner, not working for other people. Then you can set your own hours
Specksofwhiteallaround · 06/08/2020 20:48

I have had a job, I worked for years and I was the main earner while he was doing his phd, he knows exactly how hard I found it to cope and was fine with me being home when things got worse. He actively doesn’t want me to work as it’ll make him have to help at home but he’s also reserving the right to endlessly complain about everything. Maybe it would be best if I tried get back into work and he’d have to deal with it. He’s not going to be happy either way.

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jessstan2 · 06/08/2020 20:49

I feel sorry for both of you. You really cannot tell your husband what decision to take, that has to be up to him. However if he is going back into work, ie away from home, in September, he might find things a bit easier - let's hope so. If he doesn't he'll have to downgrade for the sake of his own mental health.

CBT is a quick fix for some problems but doesn't sound like the correct therapy for you. Look into the possibility of having long term person centred counselling, a lot of places have concessions for those who cannot pay the usual fee. Speak to your GP about it

Good luck.

Specksofwhiteallaround · 06/08/2020 20:50

Judging by the heavy advertising of cleansing services on local social media I doubt I’d have much of a chance but worth looking into I guess. But not until September as my sons not in school until then.

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SixesAndEights · 06/08/2020 20:50

There were a few cleaning jobs advertised last year, the hours over lapped when my sons transport drops him home and Dh can’t won't leave work earlier.

Set yourself up, OP.

Also fixed your typo... Halo

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crosshatching · 06/08/2020 20:52

Hi OP, I don't know where you are but there is usually an Autistic Trust charity in every county, NAS should be able to guide you. It would be worth seeing if there's a drop-in session where you could discuss benefits (our local one even helped me fill out the DLA forms when I was applying - it was so helpful to have someone knowledgeable but detached from our day to day lives help).
You could also speak to them about potential ways you could add to your income - I often hear of families of searching for part-time PAs for autistic people. The hours tend to be part-time and you already have the experience.
I hope things work out for you all as a family.

SixesAndEights · 06/08/2020 20:55

Maybe it would be best if I tried get back into work and he’d have to deal with it.

For your own health and wellbeing, I'd say that was a very good idea indeed. Smile

bringbacksideburns · 06/08/2020 20:57

I think there are a lot of issues here not just the job.

Sounds like you have to have a serious talk about everything - the fact he can't deal with his son is ridiculous. He needs to get his act together because if you became ill he'd have to pull his weight on that score. He should be able to support you with this and help with his care.
You both sound under a lot of pressure.

I would say you compromise - he keeps at it for now and instead of being negative he talks honestly to Management about how he is doing and maybe they can offer him more support at work, particularly if others have been off with stress. They clearly think hes more than capable.

I can see that is a big life-changing rise in money and there's nothing wrong with wanting to keep that - but I think you seriously need to think about moving into a cheaper area. You say its very expensive to live there. Worse case scenario and he goes back to the previous job at least you would gave a bit more money if you moved. You need to work together to find a solution that makes you both happy.

AbsentmindedWoman · 06/08/2020 20:58

@Specksofwhiteallaround

Judging by the heavy advertising of cleansing services on local social media I doubt I’d have much of a chance but worth looking into I guess. But not until September as my sons not in school until then.
Why can't you start looking into things now? Unless your child is very high needs, there must be half an hour here or there when he is watching a bit of telly, where you can start to research what is out there?

You need to get thinking. Start slowly, don't overwhelm yourself - don't go in with the attitude of "I need to have everything figured out in September".

Just start to think of possibilities. What did you do in your last job? What are you good at? What do you like doing? I really get it, trust me, that you might be low in confidence because of your MH issues, and it might feel totally alien to even start thinking of what you enjoy if it's been a long time since you did that. Just start to explore ideas!

You don't have to do cleaning. It's just one option. Depending on your skills and/ or experience, there are different potentials out there. Virtual PA work can be done from home, for example.

TheLegendOfZelda · 06/08/2020 20:59

No claiming benefits is a huge huge huge mistake. Sometimes in this thread you sound quite disempowered/passive aggressive in your thinking. Putting in another claim for dla, then associated benefits such as carers, possibly then council tax and energy bill reductions etc etc, could save you huge amounts of money. Why not take control and put in a claim?

gamerchick · 06/08/2020 20:59

@Thisismytimetoshine

Or claim the benefits she's entitled to which will be a huge help from sounds of it. Why would you suggest someone deliberately take a pay cut because they could top up with benefits? 🙄
DLA isn't means tested Hmm
Yankathebear · 06/08/2020 21:01

I was in your husbands position last year although the difference in pay wasn’t as large it was still more.

I couldn’t cope and risked not working at all as I was making myself unwell. I already had depression and anxiety before hand and could see myself spiralling out of control.
I felt like I had to give the job a chance and owed it to my family to provide more.
I was lucky enough to return to my old job and instantly knew that I had made the right choice for myself and for my family.

By encouraging him to stay in a job that is making him so stressed you are risking the possibility that he soon won’t be able to work at all. You will both be unable to work due to mental ill health.

You will cope financially because you have too.

Thisismytimetoshine · 06/08/2020 21:03

DLA isn't means tested hmm
I wasn't suggesting she shouldn't claim DLA... 🤷🏻‍♀️

BumbleBeee69 · 06/08/2020 21:04

All Im hearing ... is OP making endless excuses for her own reasons for not working/earning ... 😏

whilst dismissing her DH's own mental wellbeing and stresses .... 🤔

Jihhery · 06/08/2020 21:10

bumble

Interesting. In your post, I see a bully.

Specksofwhiteallaround · 06/08/2020 21:13

He is very high needs, so not a lot I can do until September which is another reason I’d prefer him to stick out just a little longer.
Dhs managers are very keen for him not to do this either and have already taken on extra help for him and have said they’ll give more support. I just wish he’d wait until they were back in the office in September and give them a chance. He’s like he’s decided he’s doing badly and wants to jump but no ones trying to push him.
He’s been promoted twice, gets great feedback and recognition but he’s still constantly expecting his p45.

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