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Am I horrible wife to not want my Dh to go back down A pay grade?

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Specksofwhiteallaround · 06/08/2020 17:03

Just before lock down my husband was encouraged to apply for a job within his current company that came with a hell of a pay jump - an extra £20 k a year. I can’t go into detail as he works with the MoD but it’s essentially the same as his old job but a larger project hence the pay increase. He dithered a bit as he thought he wouldn’t get it but went for it and after being vouched for by various managers and coworkers above him he got it. He was told at the time if he was too much for him he could go back to his old job with no penalties.
Roll on four or so months and he’s now stressed, convinced he’s holding up the entire project and wants to go back to his old job. My problem with this is he has a horribly negative view of the world and no self confidence at all so he was exactly the same in his old job, only on top of that we were horribly off with money. We could afford our rent and bills but were having to use the credit card frequently for unexpected expenses. Public transport is sketchy and expensive so we never went anywhere unless my parents happened to visit and take us which is pretty embarrassing. Any treats were not an option and if we were given notice from our landlord we would be in an awful position.
He’s also refusing it acknowledge that he hasn’t actually had any time in this job that hasn’t been during lock down and working from home. It’s not an easy job to do at home, at least five of his co workers and managers have gone off work with stress and he was forced to take a week off before he ended up the same. They’ve now taken on additional staff and he admits things would be easier when they’re actually in a normal work environment but doesn’t seem willing to waiting until September when it sounds like they’ll all be back in work and see if there’s an improvement.
For context we have a six year old son who is autistic and attends a special school, I myself do not work as I have severe social anxiety and ptsd on top of that. I’d love to be able to say to him, fine go back to the old job but all I can think is that we can finally get by without getting into debt or worse having handouts from my family and he’s going to throw it all away and go back to a job that he spent just as much time complaining about and he’ll expect me to be sympathetic about it. I can’t even talk about it to my family as I’m mortified about talking to them about finally standing on our own two feet and giving my son everything he misses out on and then having to tell them we’re right back where we started.
I’m just so demoralised by it all that I can’t tell if I’m being completely selfish and if I should be supporting him with his choice.

Sorry I’ve just realised quite what an essay that is Blush

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timesareachanging · 06/08/2020 20:13

Get a job.

PatriciaPerch · 06/08/2020 20:14

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mosquitofeast · 06/08/2020 20:15

RTFT!!

He refuses to look after their son or take time off for his appointments & doesn’t want OP to work.

The OP has one school age child, and is complaining about her partner not earning enough for her, while she is at home doing nothing all day.

She needs to be working on establishing her own career, training, qualifying, job hunting, working from home, working a term time position at a school, what ever.

She is not even trying. She is just splurging out all the reasons why she personally is exempt from having to earn her own living, and why her partner has to work harder and harder to do it for her

PatriciaPerch · 06/08/2020 20:18

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Staplemaple · 06/08/2020 20:19

The ignorance on this thread towards mental health and caring for a child with additional needs is quite astounding.

MrsSpookyM · 06/08/2020 20:19

She hasn't said he doesn't want her to work. He just doesn't want to work FT hours then do childcare after work.

Where abouts to do live op that there are no daytime jobs, and it's cheaper to pay astronomical train and bus fares than run a car? It just doesn't quite add up. Surely working for MoD he must be on a livable wage.

I live in a village near Cambridge, stupid house prices and I earn way below the average wage, but having a car is cheaper than train fares, and a dozen supermarkets in a 10 mile radius are advertising vacancies.

I'm not trying to be a cunt, I just don't quite get it. If the OP genuinely wants help and advice I'm sure more information would enable people to give more specific advice.

Thisismytimetoshine · 06/08/2020 20:22

@Specksofwhiteallaround

I get what your saying but he’s unwilling to take sole care of our child and the only job in our area that I’m qualified for will involve me working evenings and weekends. My social anxiety is very bad right now so it’s not as simple as get a job and it’ll help, I was having daily panic attacks until recently and therapy is not helping very much. I know I don’t have a right to tell him what to do as I’m unable to work.
No, you absolutely don't have a right to insist someone else earns enough all by themselves. Why should your mental health trump his? Have you ever worked? I've never heard of anyone whose social anxiety prevented them earning a living... What would happen if he became unable to work?
MaeDanvers · 06/08/2020 20:22

I’ve read all your responses OP and it does
sound a difficult situation. I do think it sounds untenable for him to carry on if it’s making him this unhappy.

I didn’t catch it if you responded regarding home working options? There’s a lot of jobs can be done from home, especially now. You say you’ve got qualifications what are they in? Perhaps the skills from those could be used for a home working job?

Choppedupapple · 06/08/2020 20:22

OP what were you hoping to get from this thread?

Specksofwhiteallaround · 06/08/2020 20:23

I have one child with complex special needs and I’m hardly doing nothing at home. I also never said he wasn’t earning enough at all but thanks for putting words in my mouth.

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mosquitofeast · 06/08/2020 20:24

@PatriciaPerch

This is why language is important, she is actually a carer for a young child with a disability significant enough for him to attend special school. So that (with a bit of imagination on other posters parts) means it may have caused her anxiety and her lack of work options and flexibility.

They all need a bit empathy tbh. I don't think this attacking mentality on mumsnet is at all helpful

I don't think the OP will benefit from not being told the truth
MrDarcysMa · 06/08/2020 20:26

Jesus Christ. So you don't work because of social anxiety but your husbands mental health is plummeting and he's had to take time off with stress already and he has to soldier on because you like having the extra money?

MrsSpookyM · 06/08/2020 20:29

I thought you said your child was in school? Is it not normal school hours? If not of course that would make a difference in what you're able to do and people may comment differently.

Specksofwhiteallaround · 06/08/2020 20:29

I don’t really know what I wanted, I suppose to vent as I have no one in real life to talk to it about and I won’t say anything to him about it. I should have kept it to myself in hindsight.
At least I know what people will say about it now.

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Babs709 · 06/08/2020 20:29

They all need a bit empathy tbh. I don't think this attacking mentality on mumsnet is at all helpful

The ignorance on this thread towards mental health and caring for a child with additional needs is quite astounding.

I do agree with this, but there are also a lot of people trying to help with potential solutions around (misguided or otherwise) and OP doesn’t even seem to be in a place where she can consider any of them. Just lists the reasons why it can’t be done.

DH goes back down to lower money; neither OP or DH are happy. And frankly it sounds like they can’t afford their life as it stands but they’re unable to make any chances.

Or

DH stays where he is and is miserable. The answer here is that OP needs to put something in motion to change their situation. It can’t just be “I’m happy, who cares whether my husband is”. There needs to be a long term plan to address both of their mental health.

MrsSpookyM · 06/08/2020 20:31

Most of us aren't trying to be shitty op. Just offering suggestions to move forward.

mcmooberry · 06/08/2020 20:32

I don't think you are horrible, that's a huge pay drop to go down £20K and he hasn't given it a chance. You do everything at home to remove stress from him I think he should stick it out.

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Marchitectmummy · 06/08/2020 20:35

I think ultimately you have to consider how you can help with finances to improve your life's and redirect the pressure you are putting on your husband onto yourself.

Lots of advice on here but everything you write excuses you and reapplies the pressure back onto your husband.

What would you do if he didn't exist? Whether your son is incontinent or not surely if he is at school you aren't dealing with that for 7 hours 5 days a week, so have time to deal with something else. Stop buiding obstacles and start being excited about your own potential to help support you your son and husband.

AbsentmindedWoman · 06/08/2020 20:37

So he won't parent his kid? And doesn't do any domestic chores?

That's really shit OP.

I think you need to start planning on how you can earn. The relationship sounds quite unbalanced. If your marriage broke down you would be really vulnerable.

It doesn't have to be a demanding overwhelming job. There is nothing to stop you (in time after gradually working out a plan/ doing some training and perhaps doing pro bono work) setting up as a freelancer in some capacity.

What are your strengths?

gamerchick · 06/08/2020 20:37

@Babs709

They all need a bit empathy tbh. I don't think this attacking mentality on mumsnet is at all helpful

The ignorance on this thread towards mental health and caring for a child with additional needs is quite astounding.

I do agree with this, but there are also a lot of people trying to help with potential solutions around (misguided or otherwise) and OP doesn’t even seem to be in a place where she can consider any of them. Just lists the reasons why it can’t be done.

DH goes back down to lower money; neither OP or DH are happy. And frankly it sounds like they can’t afford their life as it stands but they’re unable to make any chances.

Or

DH stays where he is and is miserable. The answer here is that OP needs to put something in motion to change their situation. It can’t just be “I’m happy, who cares whether my husband is”. There needs to be a long term plan to address both of their mental health.

Or claim the benefits she's entitled to which will be a huge help from sounds of it.

That doesn't seem to be an option either from the looks of it.

Specksofwhiteallaround · 06/08/2020 20:37

Ffs I don’t like having to extra money, for what it’s worth he’s the one who’s gone out and bought a load of fancy boys toys and nice food. For the last time I’m just annoyed that he’s gonna end up going back to his original wage and he will complain bitterly about it and still complain about his job. So yeah I’m a horrible person who’s going to struggle to be sympathetic. I don’t wanna hear a million times a day how horrible it is to not be able to afford stuff while he’s simultaneously sabotaging any attempt I made at working.
If I went out and managed to find a job he’d doubtless make a big deal about looking after our son and how hard that is and make me feel guilty for putting that on him on top of his work stress oh and the money stress. I just can’t win.

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JanewaysBun · 06/08/2020 20:38

If you're in an expensive area then the obvious idea is as a self employed cleaner when your DS is back in school.

My cleaner can come whatever time of the day she wants and often moves the day if she has hairdressr/doctor so you'd have flexibility to attend appts etc. Even if you only did one family 2 hrs a week you'd have £100+ every month

diamente · 06/08/2020 20:38

You need to apply for pip and re apply for dla for your son if he's doubly incontinent he should be eligible. You can then claim carers allowance. I don't know how uc works but with tax credits you could earn a higher amount with a child claiming dla so depending on your husbands income, could be eligible? Looking after a disabled child is a ft job

TDMN · 06/08/2020 20:39

OP -
Can I just say, im really sorry that your husband refuses to parent your child, that must be really heartbreaking for you and its completely unnacceptable that he would see taking care of his child as 'taking away his free time' no matter how much work stress he is under (from what you say about how he was at the previous job it kinda sounds like he'd be like this no matter what job he was in, am i reading that right?)
I really hope you find the strength to get help, get back to work. Its not easy when you have a disabled child to care for and a partner who will refuse to do any childcare.
You mention your rent being really high and the area being really expensive, but you also say its a small town with only evening/weekend stuff available - just wondering what the deal is there, as normall small towns are a bit cheaper, is it that you need a certain type of place gor your sons needs?
A 20k jump is a fair bit, that has surely doubled your income, maybe you could compromise with your partner and say okay how about you give it x months and we'll save like mad so that if he has to go back to his old job then you'll at least have a bit extra to do things whilst he looks for a role (which admittedly would be really hard but worth a shot) and while you apply for DLA etc, try and get yourself back to work etc.