Pornhub profit from trafficking of women and girls.

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I’m increasingly frustrated with attitudes to porn on MN - there seem to be 2 main ways people justify it:

1. The liberal feminism defence: “It’s empowering, women are allowed bodily autonomy.

2. I enjoy it, it’s all consensual.

This is obviously bullshit. If you watch porn on a mainstream platform it is very likely that the woman you are watching has been directly trafficked and is being raped. If she hasn’t been, the woman or girl in the next clip may have been. You’re getting your rocks off to the filmed abuse of women and girls.

And that’s before we even start looking at how the commodification of women affects us more generally.

Please read this - it’s really eye opening

Liberal feminism is such a big lie, the only people that profit from it are men.

I'm so concerned also about the rise in sexual violence against girls in our mixed secondary schools, there has to be a link between porn access and that increase (including 500 rapes reported in the secondary school system in the last few years)

YANBU to be fed up with some of the responses to porn on here.

I didn’t mean to enable voting.

However - 2/3 of the votes think I’m unreasonable. Presumably because the truth about Pornhub is inconvenient to them?

Jeux agree completely re schools. We’ve seen that too.

There really is no excuse for anyone to use porn any more. No one can pretend they don't know the truth because it's well documented. Women who condone porn use in their partners or who use it themselves are directly contributing to other women being raped and trafficked.

Of course you are right. In the end it’s just more men buying and selling women and it becomes more and more normal.

Is pornhub actually legal? I thought porn online porn was illegal - don't they get people's computers if they are charged and that's how they find out if they have been watching porn?

@BBCONEANDTWO

Is pornhub actually legal? I thought porn online porn was illegal - don't they get people's computers if they are charged and that's how they find out if they have been watching porn?

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Pornhub is a mainstream platform - although it doesn’t moderate what is on there. Watching porn online isn’t legal - unless it is the filmed abuse of children.

There is zero way of telling whether the women on Pornhub are consenting adults, non consenting adults or children.

@BBCONEANDTWO

Is pornhub actually legal? I thought porn online porn was illegal - don't they get people's computers if they are charged and that's how they find out if they have been watching porn?

Watching porn isn't illegal so long as everyone involved is over the age of eighteen and nothing illegal is occurring (eg use of animals).

I watch porn when I masturbate & use pornhub, youporn, redtube etc. I tend to watch my favourite pornstars & the starlets (eg the ones that win AVN awards) are consensual. What about porn production companies like Evil Angel or Jules Jordan which are female owned & directed ?

I am not saying trafficking isn’t real, but watching porn doesn’t mean you are watching trafficked women. It’s not just men that watch porn.

I do think the interviews of Mia Khalifa give an insight into the sexiness of the porn industry, but she did consent. She just regrets it....

I also enjoy watching vintage porn, the girls seem more genuinely into it & not playing up for the camera.

Sorry I meant to say Mia Khalifa’s interviews give an insight into the seediness of the porn industry, not sexiness.

I do believe there are ethical porn production companies. If you’re calling for porn to be banned, good luck with that.

I know there was some new thing came out about it being illegal a couple of years ago so I thought it was a blanket ban for people in the UK not to be able to watch porn. I must have misunderstood.

And yes it degrades women. I also think some of these music videos degrade women too but on a more mainstream level. Stuff like put the 'thong' song - and you see women shaking their backsides. Some of the music videos are like porn.

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Then you are supporting the trafficking of women and girls.

Did you watch the video the OP posted @vikingwife? Or do you just not give a shit that you're funding the rape, torture and sexual abuse of women and girls? Is getting your rocks off more important than their lives?

What a delightful person you sound

Is getting your rocks off more important than their lives?

Which is exactly what it boils down to. Supporters of porn write long winded and outraged explanations about why their use of porn somehow doesn’t contribute to the rape and abuse of women and girls - but you’ve hit the nail on the head, Clymene.

Is it ok to watch porn that doesn't involve women?

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I’m focused on the impact on women and girls, as they are far more likely to be trafficked and sexually exploited.

However - all male porn is part of the same industry so is still contributing to that harm.

I don’t know as much about the exploitation of men/boys in porn - do you?

Ona thread about porn, it takes less than 20 posts for someone to as 'what about the men'?

Porn is never going to be made illegal, it’s better to campaign for more regulation of the industry.

I have been in that industry and everyone I knew was consenting. I think some women struggle to believe that other women don’t have an issue using their bodies to fund a nicer lifestyle - so assume they must be coerced or desperate and this is not always the case. It’s insulting. You don’t assume the men in porn have ‘no choice’ so there is some sexism involved when people assume the women don’t.
‘Dumb little woman doesn’t really know what she’s doing, couldn’t possibly have made that decision all by herself. A man must have told her too’ it’s old fashioned and ridiculous.

However, sometimes it absolutely will be the case and there will be women who are trafficked and more, which is why there needs to be better regulation in that aspect.

We need to move the conversation away from implying all porn is trafficked women and illegal actions as that gets backs up and is implying a false narrative and instead see it as some illegal activity takes place within the industry and how we can combat that.

However, sometimes it absolutely will be the case and there will be women who are trafficked and more, which is why there needs to be better regulation in that aspect

And it is impossible to tell as a viewer which woman or girl that is.

We need to move the conversation away from implying all porn is trafficked women and illegal actions

I haven’t said that.

as that gets backs up

I couldn’t give a stuff about getting people’s backs up - people SHOULD be confronted with the reality that a totally mainstream platform supports and profits from the exploitation of women and girls.

You’re trying to guilt people into not watching porn as some of the women on there will be trafficked, you need to direct your anger at the monsters who do traffic people.

Anyone who’s been to a car wash, nail salon, bought cheap clothes etc has the possibility they have indirectly supported modern slavery and trafficking, which is a horrible reality to face but in real word discussions we need to protest for better regulations of the industry’s where we know people could be coerced rather than try to guilt the people who use them in good faith.

You’re trying to guilt people into not watching porn as some of the women on there will be trafficked

Just read that back to yourself.

Do you not think that people should be confronted with the fact that the woman or girl they are getting a sexual thrill from might be trafficked? You’d prefer they remained ignorant?

The rest of your post is Whataboutery. Start a thread about any of those industries- I’ll come over and support you on it.

If I were to watch consensual free porn, using both a vpn and an ad locker, how am I contributing to trafficking and/or rape?

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High street stores benefit from the trafficking of women and girls (and men and boys). As do nail bars and car washes. It's not whataboutery to point that out at all. You say all porn users support the trafficking of women and girls? Then you also support human trafficking because you, living here and now, have definitely purchased or used a product or service which at some point in the chain involved trafficked, exploited human beings. You can pretend otherwise but you have.

I wish people wouldn't pretend like this. You don't like porn. Fine. That's your right. Just don't pretend that using porn makes you a supporter of trafficking but using other products which involve trafficked people doesn't make you a supporter of it. It doesn't stand up.

It's ironic that porn using animals is banned, but porn that potentially uses trafficked women is legal. Says something about the value of women, doesn't it?