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Less than 100 days and counting... (Trump thread #103)

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Roussette · 01/08/2020 07:49

Here we go...

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Zug2 · 24/08/2020 05:53

Kellyanne Conway has resigned from the White House and sadly George Conway has stepped away from The Lincoln Project and his twitter account, both say they need to focus on family.

Their daughter has announced she is taking a break from twitter. One of her recent tweets claims that she suffered years of childhood trauma and abuse.

Roussette · 24/08/2020 07:41

I wish I felt as confident as some on her

I'm not confident or over confident. Just hopeful. He has gained popularity in post convention polling but no one should be complacent....
I think Biden does want to make change where Trump has let people down. Every speech talks of trying to bring people together. But I'm not in the US so you know what it's like over there.

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Roussette · 24/08/2020 07:44

I am glad the Conways have stepped away. It looks like they need to regroup with the family big time.

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 24/08/2020 08:07

I don't think there's many of us on here (if any) who are confident that Biden will win.
There's a chance (small) that Trump could win the presidency but the Dems could win both houses. That would be interesting!

Talking to DH's family in the US on a zoom catch up yesterday - all Democrats, range of ages (20s to 90s), several states (east and west) - they are not confident but think Biden can do it. They seemed resigned however to a long period of disruption after the election if Biden is declared the winner with Trump refusing accept/challenging the result of a 'fake' election.

The family member with links to the Navajo community in Arizona said that some in the indigenous community are encouraging not to vote at all and linked us to this.
www.indigenousaction.org/voting-is-not-harm-reduction-an-indigenous-perspective/

Also the Latino vote that doesn't like Trump is not that keen on Biden either so there may be a low turnout in some areas.

Lweji · 24/08/2020 09:32

I hope the Conways can heal as a family. Poor kids.

And, not taking any bets on this election. I don't know how anyone can think pps on this thread are confident.

lionheart · 24/08/2020 10:49

Not confident; gerrymandering, voter suppression, bots, koolaid, interference by foreign powers, corruption, deception, inertia, protest votes or non-votes, the electoral college, media complicity and cackhandedness, racism and white panic ...

I did not realise CC was so young.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/white-house-transforms-people-s-house-campaign-venue-n1237763?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/08/2020 10:59

"The Trump campaign and Republican National Committee have said they will reimburse the federal government for any taxpayer resources used."

Yeahright. Like they have paid their bills in the past.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/08/2020 11:10

Or maybe it is simply that they have to use the White House because nobody else is prepared to have them, given how expensive it tends to be.

www.rawstory.com/2020/07/trump-campaign-reaches-2-million-in-unpaid-security-bills-just-as-mike-pence-rallies-with-cops/

He is obviously adopting the Queen Elizabeth I principle: if you mislike someone (as it might be a mayor who doesn't support you, or in her case a rich peer who might become a danger to the Crown) go and stay there for a bit and bankrupt them. They can't refuse the honour... Except that places inthe States can. and now they are a little wise to hyim they probably will.

Lweji · 24/08/2020 11:48

Somewhat disappointed it's not bigger, it doesn't have a higher change of hitting the Earth and it's not heading towards the White House.

www.businessinsider.com/nasa-asteroid-headed-toward-earth-before-november-election-2020-8

But I'm sure it's a sign from God. GrinWink

BoreOfWhabylon · 24/08/2020 13:45

Just heard Sebastian Gorka interviewed on Radio 4 World At One.

Jaw-dropping stuff. And, clearly, he could start a fight in an empty room

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000m0zd
About 30 minutes in.

BoreOfWhabylon · 24/08/2020 14:11

Gorka is of the opinion that Scrotus is doing just fine and Biden is a senile marxist.

Roussette · 24/08/2020 14:26

This man has always made me feel really uneasy. And this is no different. He is evil. I am trying to listen but it's not easy.... I cannot believe some of what he's saying.

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/08/2020 14:55

Gorka's wiki page makes it reasonably clear how he should be regarded; what the hell is the BBC playing at?

(Is fish oil different from snake oil, and if so, how?)

AcrossthePond55 · 24/08/2020 15:45

Well, the RNC starts today. I am NOT watching this, it will be nothing but a Scrotus love-fest. I know they say 'know thine enemy', but I would go absolutely batshit.

Speaking of batshit, my son was notified yesterday that his boss has tested positive and all employees must quarantine for 2 weeks. DS2 lives with us and I am high risk. Lovely. Naturally, this all comes out on Sunday, when the Health Dept is closed. Luckily, he can isolate upstairs and will have a separate bathroom, we just have to figure out the kitchen protocol. To make it worse, poor DS2 suffers from anxiety and PTSD and is worrying himself into a tizzy that he's infected us. That plus the enforced isolation and guilt, I worry about his MH.

His employers had said that they weren't going to shut down unless someone had ACTIVE Covid (ie was actually ill) because it's 'just the fucking flu and a hoax'. They also bulled DS2 into not wearing a mask at work by making fun of him. I know, that's his fault for not doing what's right, but with his MH issues he's very susceptible to criticism. Plus who knows how long his boss had been positive before he was tested. We also don't know if he's just tested positive or if he has active Covid symptoms. We can't trust them to tell their employees the truth.

Nor does DS2 know if he'll be paid, he finds that out tomorrow.

This fucking boss was the one shouting loudest at work that Covid was a "Dem hoax to get at Trump". Fucking asshole.

Roussette · 24/08/2020 15:57

Oh Across your poor son. What a tricky situation. If it's any consolation... my nephew who is extremely high risk, his wife got covid early on. They live in a tiny house in London. She wasn't quarantined but actually tested and positive. And hallelujah... they managed to live together somehow and he didn't catch it! I know they used a lot of disinfectant wipes and obviously kept well away from each other at all times.

I do hope your son doesn't worry too much. Could he get a test in say 6 days time (that is reported as the incubation period over here) and be reassured if it came back negative?

What a nighmare boss.

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Roussette · 24/08/2020 15:58

When I say she wasn't quarantined... I mean she was obviously quarantined in that she didn't go out when she had it! I'm muddling my words up here

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AcrossthePond55 · 24/08/2020 17:11

Thanks, Roussette that is reassuring about your DN & wife. We're hoping we'll all be OK.

I'll be able to call the Health Dept in a bit to see if DS2 can get tested. The guidelines online for our local area are confusing. One says 'test at 5 days, retest at 14 if you have been exposed', another says 'if you have been exposed AND have symptoms'. I'm going to stress that I am high risk. If all else fails he can call his Dr and see if he can be tested that way. His employer is supposed to pay for any testing, but again that's unclear if they're required to pay based on exposure alone or if you have to be symptomatic. But again, I'm not going to quibble with that. If we have to pay (his insurance should pay some) we will.

BoreOfWhabylon · 24/08/2020 17:34

@Roussette

This man has always made me feel really uneasy. And this is no different. He is evil. I am trying to listen but it's not easy.... I cannot believe some of what he's saying.
He really is Rousette. Listening to him made my skin crawl.
lionheart · 24/08/2020 17:35

Fingers crossed for you and your family.

The pandemic is bad enough without the extra dramas caused by stupids.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/08/2020 17:48

Yes, fingers crossed here.

OVienna · 24/08/2020 18:25

Just jumping in here, hope that is ok. I haven't been on the other threads because I mostly post US political stuff elsewhere - I am a Yank living here (longstanding.)

I need somewhere to go that is not US based for the countdown to 3 November, though. One thing that was really striking about election day in 2016 was that the mainstream US media was really off the pace with how things were going for Hillary on the day. Lots of aggressive optimism when the British media watching from the US were already becoming muted (this was around 8pm.) I knew it wasn't going to go well for her but was told I was completely wrong, and even paranoid.

I have been thinking about whether I can be more optimistic this time. I had a whole narrative around this whereby I actually analysed the Electoral College numbers and took it as read that Trump wouldn't flip a Blue State. I am concerned however that Minnesota is looking closer than it should - plus NH and ME are interesting. Thankfully - there isn't a third party candidate with momentum to take votes away. Apparently this did swing things in PA, Wisconsin, and Michigan. If I can find the article again I'll post it here. It was illuminating but made me optimistic that Biden would be spared that.

I think more Democrats will be motivated to ensure they vote; but voter suppression??? Nowt to be sneezed at.

Silent Trump supporters? Maybe. I am not even sure it's BLM as much as other forms of the so-called 'Culture War' that have pissed people off, such as 'cancel culture.' I also think it is a mistake for Biden to say he wouldn't hesitate to shut down the whole country again because of COVID. Even people who are scared of the disease and think Trump has done a terrible job might find that quite terrifying and either not vote or quietly cast for Trump.

One thing that I have to face up to, which I am sure has already been discussed here at length, is the potential for Biden to win an even larger share of the popular vote than Hillary did and still lose the election. There is a lot of talk of Trump 'not going' or litigating or stoking up doubt in the legitimacy of the outcome - there is certainly risk of this (and I would never, never underestimate it as he has surprised on the downside throughout his tenure). I am absolutely terrified of an election outcome which is perceived as ambiguous or unfair. I think there will be violence in the US following this sort of outcome and that it could from the right as well as the left. I think the frustration at having another four years of Trump, of feeling so let down it could happen again, will be too much for people.

As a very long-term American abroad, I think people will just give up on the US if he wins again.

Gorka's bonkers, just getting that out of the way. But he's hardly worth anyone's breath.

Lweji · 24/08/2020 18:28

AcrossthePond55

Fingers crossed for you all.

If you can keep windows and doors open when using the kitchen it helps a lot.
Avoid shouting and singing, in addition to coughing and sneezing.

You won't need to go overboard with surface cleaning, btw.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 24/08/2020 18:46

What a worry for you Across - 2020 the year just keeps giving!

I also know of a UK family where the adult daughter caught the virus back in April but her parents (60+) and another adult daughter who all lived in the same house didn't catch it. They had a bedroom with en-suite bathroom at the top of their smallish house where she quarantined herself and the family delivered her food on a tray to her door - keeping separate plates and utensils just for her and wearing disposable gloves etc when touching her things!

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