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Neighbour in our garden, WWYD?

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Biscoffscoff · 30/07/2020 19:20

First of all, apologies now for lack of diagram, I have no idea how to upload one! And sorry it's a long one, it's hard to explain...

We live in an area of old miners cottages. It's common in our town for shared gardens, or gardens with rights of way across them (which these days are used for putting wheelie bins out). We bought our house two years ago. Having a private garden was a big plus for this house we chose, or so we thought!

We are in a row of 8 or so terrace houses. Ours, and the houses to the right of us, have longer gardens and parking access at the back to garages that are at the bottom of the gardens. This is via a small lane. The lane originally led to a park. One of our neighbors told us that there was a lot of anti social behaviour with the park/lane opening onto the gardens. So at some point the park land was fenced off and it was agreed the lane could be gated, so those of us that have garages have a key. All our neighbours have lived here since before the land was fenced.

The neighbour on the left of us doesn't have a garage, and his garden is shorter than ours, he backs onto the park. He used to be able to access his back garden from the end of the lane/start of the park. There is a gate in his garden because of this. When it was fenced, the access from the lane ends at the end of our garden. The neighbours gate opens into our garden.

The previous owner of our house was an elderly woman who didnt mind the neighbour cutting across her garden when the fencing went up. Her son was quite savvy and keen for this not to become a right, so he got a solicitor to draw up a licence agreement which ensured it was goodwill only.

When we bought the house this was explained to us by the EA and owners son. The son told us he'd explained to the neighbour the access ended with the sale, and he'd have to approach us if he wanted it renewed. He never did, we never met him, we thought that was that. Not long after we moved in, the other neighbours approached us about putting money in to replace the gate to the lane also, and that gate is locked. We assumed that there was no access for the neighbour.

In lockdown we've been working from home, and in the first few weeks noticed from the window a couple of times someone walking through our garden. We spoke to the neighbour who had arranged the replacement gate and they told us yes, they'd given a key to the neighbour next to us as he's always had access and presumed he needed a key. They were very apologetic as they thought we knew he had access.

In normal circs we would have knocked on to speak to him but as we don't know him at all and this was at the point of lockdown where everyone was very jittery, didn't think it was a good idea to go round.

The old lady didn't use the garden much and we've been using it a lot in lockdown. We hadn't seen him in the garden for a while and thought he must have stopped using it, now that it's very obviously in use (garden furniture out etc)

Today I came in through the garden and found the neighbour in the garden. Not only in the garden, but cutting the hedge - OUR hedge - that runs from the gate across the back of our garden! Presumably he's doing this to keep his access clear!

I would love to be one of those people who blurt things out but I'm not. I was walking through with my heavy shopping and he gave me a cheery wave as though this was entirely normal.
I stopped and stuttered something about how I had been planning to wait until the autumn because of nesting birds. He told me he'd checked them and it was no trouble because he's retired. I walked in the house and unfortunately it was only then that my brain caught up with a WTF!

So not only does he clearly think this is the norm for him to be in our garden, he thinks he's doing me a favour by doing my gardening!

It's really frustrating that because we're out at work so much we had no idea that he was using this access for the first eighteen months we've lived here, and clearly he and the other neighbours (they are friends) think this is entirely normal.

I want to reclaim my garden back but with it being so long and with me making small talk with him I've no idea how to go about this.
Im also aware that if it hadnt been for lockdown we wouldn't have known he was doing this so part of me feels like I'm being a bit petty to say no now, when it's been happening without bothering us before, and will likely be the same again when I'm back in work in September.
But equally I don't want to give up having a private garden due to British politeness.

WWYD?

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TheGirlWhoLived · 30/07/2020 21:36

@PurpleFlower1983

If it was me I would leave it I think if he is causing no harm but I understand why others are saying something needs to be done before it becomes a right.
I agree with this, I’m fairly non-confrontational though and have a live and let live attitude! perhaps wait a little while and invent a reason, then go and have a chat about it, e.g “when renewing house insurance we have had to state we’ve got a lockable gate on the garden and nobody should have access through it sorry, we’ll have to put a lock in on x date and you’ll unfortunately not be able to cut through any more- I hope this doesn’t inconvenience you too much, thanks for your understanding”
thinkingaboutLangCleg · 30/07/2020 21:37

Ask at gardenlaw.co.uk/ — they’re very helpful.

makingmammaries · 30/07/2020 21:38

You can build quite a decent heavy duty composter from 4 wooden pallets tied together firmly with wire to make a cube. Then you fill it with hedge clippings ;)

howfarwevecome · 30/07/2020 21:39

It'a convenience, not a necessity.

Ask him to stop cutting through your garden. You want and are entitled to your privacy.

Imagine when your baby starts toddling and someone accidentally leaves that gate open...

Biscoffscoff · 30/07/2020 21:39

Also to those of you who think this is utterly outrageous, if I lived on a new estate where gardens are clearly private I would feel the same. Its hard to explain but round here there are a lot of shared courtyard gardens, footpaths that go across private land, shared private lanes that are effectively dirt tracks. It's quite rural and it would be the talk of the town if we started sending solicitors letters or pouring concrete to block gates!

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MoveOnTheCards · 30/07/2020 21:40

I agree full on legal feels a bit too much when a simple ‘please don’t cut through our garden’ conversation could be tried first. I would not be happy with someone just freely passing through my garden like this. Let alone pruning the bushes!

Can you also put a locked gate at the end of your garden where it leads to the garage/lane? Surely that would be a perfectly reasonable security measure for you anyway?

Itwasntme1 · 30/07/2020 21:40

I have to say he is behaving badly though. He knows he only has access to the garden as a favour. He hasn’t spoken to you to ask permission but just saunters through.

I wouldn’t cope with someone having a gate into my garden and walking through when it suited them. My garden is my little private oasis.

It is odd that he didn’t call round, introduce himself and ask I’d can occassionally walk through your garden.

As he has no legal right of access, surely you could have a gate removed.

I understand you don’t want to go that as far as legal letters etc, but I do think you should get some legal advice.

Lockdownlumpy · 30/07/2020 21:40

Surely you just need to padlock your gate into the lane? You can still use if needed but he will presumably stop trying to cut through when he realises he can no longer access the lane.

Itwasntme1 · 30/07/2020 21:41

What happens if he moves, and you get nightmare neighbours in his place? Or you get a dog and need to know your garden is secure?

Biscoffscoff · 30/07/2020 21:43

@MoveOnTheCards that is something we want to do eventually, but we have a long list of expensive work on the house to do first unfortunately!

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Bargebill19 · 30/07/2020 21:44

@Barrychuckle2

IF that was a consideration - which for me it wouldn’t be as I value feeling safe in my own space and my privacy far higher than the any neighbours feelings or perceived house value, then I would advise anyone to sell up and not even confront the entitled twat of a neighbour.
No matter how these things are tackled they always seem to end in neighbours hating each other. Far better to use a solicitor who will check he definitely doesn’t have any access rights rather than taking it on the previous owners say so that the neighbour doesn’t have any rights of access.

Bargebill19 · 30/07/2020 21:44

@Itwasntme1

Well said.

billy1966 · 30/07/2020 21:45

OP,
Because he is pruning areas that you would rather he wouldn't, clarification is required.

It really is that simple.

Do it in a letter yourself or via a solicitor.

But clarify it.
Flowers

Itwasntme1 · 30/07/2020 21:45

I also don’t understand why your solicitor didn’t explore this when you bought the house? Did you explain the situation, did they check it out?

Biscoffscoff · 30/07/2020 21:49

@Lockdownlumpy there is no gate from our garden onto the lane (or anyone elses for that matter). The gardens aren't secure, they used to open onto scrubland/park

@Itwasntme1 if he were to sell the house we'd talk to him about securing the gate before viewings - it definitely wouldn't extend to a new resident. However since he's lived here for at least 30yrs I can't imagine he's likely to move anytime soon.

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MoveOnTheCards · 30/07/2020 21:49

I think I might be moving it up the priority list @Biscoffscoff!

Barrychuckle2 · 30/07/2020 21:49

Anyone falling out with neighbours have absolutely nothing to gain and an awful lot to lose.

StoneofDestiny · 30/07/2020 21:52

I'd get a fence up and tell him you are upgrading your security. Surely that would end it? I'd not want access given to a neighbour, it then might become their family and visitors too, and to whoever he sells to. A nice friendly fence stops the awkwardness.

OneWomanOneDog · 30/07/2020 21:53

the only thing I think is outrageous is why you don't seem to want to just go next door and have a chat??

Biscoffscoff · 30/07/2020 21:55

Why do people keep questioning what our solicitor did?
It's very clearly explained in the opening post. He doesn't have right of access. He had a license, drawn up by previous owners, in goodwill. The plans clearly show the boundaries and there is no right across our land. We were given copies of the licence by the sellers, with advice we could use it as a template if we wanted to grant access. There was nothing for our solicitor to check further.
The only bit I don't have is proof that the sellers reminded him before the sale that he should approach us for permission because the licence wouldn't automatically extend to a new owner (it is a legal doc signed by the owner and neighbour)

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Bargebill19 · 30/07/2020 21:56

Do neighbours bring any benefits?!

OneWomanOneDog · 30/07/2020 21:56

Are you going to talk to him?

Bargebill19 · 30/07/2020 21:57

Sorry missed out the word trespassing.

tealady · 30/07/2020 21:57

I would be pretty mad at anybody who dared to enter my garden and start trimming hedges! That is beyond cheeky and it doesn't matter if the previous owner let him- he knows that you are the new owners and he has no right to do this!

I'm wondering if you have children(or are thinking about a family in the future) as for me this would be a deal breaker. You are right to expect that your garden is not accessed without your permission.
I would start with you and your dh having a nice friendly conversation where you make it clear that you were shocked by his use of your private garden and access. A simple statement of that really doesn't work for us - sorry to disappoint etc followed by a large immovable item being placed in front of the gate on your side.

Do not feel guilty. He was lucky for years but remember he could have bought your house if he wanted that access but you have paid for the house with access - not him.

There are many reasons why having a relative stranger wandering through your garden is not a good idea eg house insurance, security (what if he leaves the gate open) safety of dc, animals etc and your right to privacy in your own garden.

Floralnomad · 30/07/2020 21:58

Stick a fence up at the back of your garden with a locked gate and if he says anything tell him it’s for security or you are thinking of getting a dog . How could you let a child out in the garden if it’s not secure ?

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