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Neighbour in our garden, WWYD?

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Biscoffscoff · 30/07/2020 19:20

First of all, apologies now for lack of diagram, I have no idea how to upload one! And sorry it's a long one, it's hard to explain...

We live in an area of old miners cottages. It's common in our town for shared gardens, or gardens with rights of way across them (which these days are used for putting wheelie bins out). We bought our house two years ago. Having a private garden was a big plus for this house we chose, or so we thought!

We are in a row of 8 or so terrace houses. Ours, and the houses to the right of us, have longer gardens and parking access at the back to garages that are at the bottom of the gardens. This is via a small lane. The lane originally led to a park. One of our neighbors told us that there was a lot of anti social behaviour with the park/lane opening onto the gardens. So at some point the park land was fenced off and it was agreed the lane could be gated, so those of us that have garages have a key. All our neighbours have lived here since before the land was fenced.

The neighbour on the left of us doesn't have a garage, and his garden is shorter than ours, he backs onto the park. He used to be able to access his back garden from the end of the lane/start of the park. There is a gate in his garden because of this. When it was fenced, the access from the lane ends at the end of our garden. The neighbours gate opens into our garden.

The previous owner of our house was an elderly woman who didnt mind the neighbour cutting across her garden when the fencing went up. Her son was quite savvy and keen for this not to become a right, so he got a solicitor to draw up a licence agreement which ensured it was goodwill only.

When we bought the house this was explained to us by the EA and owners son. The son told us he'd explained to the neighbour the access ended with the sale, and he'd have to approach us if he wanted it renewed. He never did, we never met him, we thought that was that. Not long after we moved in, the other neighbours approached us about putting money in to replace the gate to the lane also, and that gate is locked. We assumed that there was no access for the neighbour.

In lockdown we've been working from home, and in the first few weeks noticed from the window a couple of times someone walking through our garden. We spoke to the neighbour who had arranged the replacement gate and they told us yes, they'd given a key to the neighbour next to us as he's always had access and presumed he needed a key. They were very apologetic as they thought we knew he had access.

In normal circs we would have knocked on to speak to him but as we don't know him at all and this was at the point of lockdown where everyone was very jittery, didn't think it was a good idea to go round.

The old lady didn't use the garden much and we've been using it a lot in lockdown. We hadn't seen him in the garden for a while and thought he must have stopped using it, now that it's very obviously in use (garden furniture out etc)

Today I came in through the garden and found the neighbour in the garden. Not only in the garden, but cutting the hedge - OUR hedge - that runs from the gate across the back of our garden! Presumably he's doing this to keep his access clear!

I would love to be one of those people who blurt things out but I'm not. I was walking through with my heavy shopping and he gave me a cheery wave as though this was entirely normal.
I stopped and stuttered something about how I had been planning to wait until the autumn because of nesting birds. He told me he'd checked them and it was no trouble because he's retired. I walked in the house and unfortunately it was only then that my brain caught up with a WTF!

So not only does he clearly think this is the norm for him to be in our garden, he thinks he's doing me a favour by doing my gardening!

It's really frustrating that because we're out at work so much we had no idea that he was using this access for the first eighteen months we've lived here, and clearly he and the other neighbours (they are friends) think this is entirely normal.

I want to reclaim my garden back but with it being so long and with me making small talk with him I've no idea how to go about this.
Im also aware that if it hadnt been for lockdown we wouldn't have known he was doing this so part of me feels like I'm being a bit petty to say no now, when it's been happening without bothering us before, and will likely be the same again when I'm back in work in September.
But equally I don't want to give up having a private garden due to British politeness.

WWYD?

OP posts:
fridgeraiders · 30/07/2020 20:32

Dear neighbour,
Just confirming the access arrangements over our garden.
these ended when the house was sold 18 months ago, and we understood that the vendor's son had informed you.
So, just to confirm, you do not have right of access across our garden, so please don't enter for access to the lane, or to cut the hedges.

Thank you

Polite and to the point. If he queries, build a pond on the other side of the gate

PurpleFlower1983 · 30/07/2020 20:32

If it was me I would leave it I think if he is causing no harm but I understand why others are saying something needs to be done before it becomes a right.

MaryShelley1818 · 30/07/2020 20:37

Unless it causing you genuine stress I would just leave it. You'll become known as the unfriendly newcomers who upset the peace and harmony previously enjoyed by the street.

Biscoffscoff · 30/07/2020 20:41

To the posters saying he's not causing any harm - that was my hesitation I suppose. It is a friendly community and he seems nice enough.
We had expected we might have to buy a house with access across, and it was a bonus to find this one - I think it's that disappointment that its not as private as I thought, and I don't feel like sitting out in the sun tomorrow!

I'll have a think about it. Either we'll ask him not to use it at all, or we'll get another licence drawn up and ask him not to limit the use, and no gardening!

OP posts:
dicksplash · 30/07/2020 20:42

I would be tempted as he is older and has lived there so long to re-engage the agreement. Tell him that he can only use the access between 9-4 m-f or whatever times suit you and you are out of the house and only applies to him (I'm thinking if he gets elderly he might need carers and my tell them they can access his garden this way. Also make it clear that upon the house being sold or him no longer living there the agreement ends.

Or I would just tell him no more, the agreement ended with the sale and you are no longer comfortable with him going through your garden.

Knittedfairies · 30/07/2020 20:42

That is a splendid diagram OP!

steppemum · 30/07/2020 20:42

disorganisedsecretsquirrel

your two options are

  1. heavy handed legal
  2. let him continue

hey how about a third option, politely ask him to not use your garden?
You can do this without threatening legal action.
You can do this and still remain neighbourly and friendly.
Just because he has been doing it for years doesn't mean he isn't being a bit cheeky to continue.

It is ok to want to have your garden as private, without people walking through, and without them deciding to cut your hedge, when you didn't want them to.

DotBall · 30/07/2020 20:42

Why can’t he come out of his front door and go down the ginnel? Or is it a gated ginnel?

Spannwr1971 · 30/07/2020 20:42

My mates had exactly this. He's an actor, a minor celeb, and probably a bit disproportionately protective of his privacy. They came down on the neighbors like a tone of bricks. They ended up moving, because the locals turned against them. It completely divided the little block of houses they lived in. Then gossip spread out to the wider village. If you can find a way to let it slide, you might really reap benefits in the long run.

fassbendersmistress · 30/07/2020 20:43

Would you be willing to Compromise and continue to allow him to use it to access the shops, but firmly rule out any gardening or other prolonged periods in the garden?

If you can tolerate seeing him on the odd occasion (Having not noticed him for 18mths) then it would go a long way to maintaining neighbourly relations to do this. Not to mention it’s a really kind, human thing to do.

Tistheseason17 · 30/07/2020 20:44

Looking at the diagram, he's using as a short cut. But the attending to your garden makes me think he may be trying to create an easement as it is excessive. Dies he trim your front garden, too?
It will be the people who move in after him who will cause the issues! Personally, I'd just put a fence up blocking the gate and let him know you're doing it in advance to update your garden. Make no apology as he is knowingly doing this.

disorganisedsecretsquirrel · 30/07/2020 20:45

Just copy the old license insert your names as owners and date it for now.

Knock on his door, explain that you know he had this arrangement previously and you are happy to continue if he signs the license to protect your property from a right of way being established. That you had been meaning to do it when you moved in but had forgotten.

Everyone lives happily ever after.

steppemum · 30/07/2020 20:45

outstanding diagram.

Grin
Notwiththeseknees · 30/07/2020 20:47

On the basis he has only just been issued with a key to the far gate, there was no point him having access through your garden prior.

Lovely or not, he has access to the shops - via his front door. I really would go round there or send my husband. Hello neighbour, my wife had a bit of a shock finding you in our garden today. I'm sorry if there has been a misunderstanding, but we would be grateful if you no longer used our garden as a short cut. Thank you, good night.

ThankyouPeter · 30/07/2020 20:49

Great diagram! Looks like your shed could do with being moved a bit further back to give you a bit more room in the garden. . .maybe to where the gate is Wink

Naillig222 · 30/07/2020 20:52

It's a tough one. I can see where you are coming from and why it would annoy you but personally I wouldn't do anything about it. If the neighbour moved or died I would block the fence but until then I'd leave it as it has been for 30+ years.
I don't know about where you live, but it's something that I don't think would go down well on my road anyway. That wouldn't bother some people but I wouldn't like to fall out with neighbours.

AnneOfQueenSables · 30/07/2020 20:52

I'd be reluctant to stop him tbh. He's been doing it for months and you didn't notice. Plus it seems he'd have a very long walk round if you stop him cutting across.
There is nothing worse than having lingering resentment or arguments with neighbours. But you need to weigh up which is worst - you feeling annoyed at him cutting across your garden occasionally or you feeling that all the neighbours have potentially labelled you difficult because you stopped him cutting across. Then opt for the one that you think will be easiest to live with.

twoglassesofprosecco · 30/07/2020 20:54

This would drive me nuts. I'd hate to be sat with the kids in the paddling pool and the neighbour strolls through my garden because he's too lazy to walk around the front of his house.

I'd want to nip it in the bud now and tell him that you hadn't been aware that he was using your garden when you weren't home and could he please stop.

justdoityourself · 30/07/2020 20:55

Why not just get rid of the gate altogether and replace with a fence panel?

SixtiesChildOfWildBlueSkies · 30/07/2020 20:55

Why can he not put a gate into the end of his own garden, then he wouldn't need access your garden OP? Maybe suggest it to him when you speak with him.

InvisibleWomenMustBeRead · 30/07/2020 20:56

I agree with those saying to have a polite conversation with him and tell / remind him that the access stopped when the house was sold.

If that doesn't work, then remove his access gate.

gonesolo · 30/07/2020 21:03

Can you have invite a big hairy dog to stay for a week or so while its owners go on holiday?

LannieDuck · 30/07/2020 21:03

Now you've added the diagram, I can see why it's bothering you. It does look quite invasive.

GarethSouthgatesWaistcoat · 30/07/2020 21:04

Is it a big detour for him to go out the front to the shops?

Does he drag bins through your garden? Or use the ginnel between his own house and his neighbour (assuming there is one)?

Is your garden long or relatively small?

I can see both sides. I'd probably try to give him limited access as above (with signed agreement). Tricky!

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 30/07/2020 21:06

@AHF1975

Our old house was like this. Is he really doing much harm? I assume that since you haven't noticed for 18 months, the answer is probably no. I'd be inclined to let it go for the sake of neighbourly harmony, especially as he is friends with all the other neighbours. Maybe a compromise might be to ask him to avoid coming in when you are clearly using the garden. I'm in the north though, we tend to try and be friendly up here...Wink
He was cutting the hedge! I'd be furious if the neighbours decided to start cutting back the bushes in my garden!