AIBU in agreeing with the NASUWT that masks should be worn in schools by over 11s?

[DomDoesWotHeWants]

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/28/unions-call-for-teachers-in-england-to-be-able-to-wear-face-masks

Given that they have to be worn almost everywhere else indoors by over 11s it would be the right thing to do. Adults working in schools have as much right to be protected as bus drivers and shop workers.

So AIBU in agreeing with the NASUWT that masks should be worn in schools by over 11s?

@Mistressiggi
The guidence was to work at home where you can but such people could go to work where it isn't possible and many offices have used reasons (or excuses depending on the viewpoint) such as confidentially and the lack of suitable computers and printers for home working as an excuse to keep many in the office.

What?

@Clavinova not me. My colleagues who got sick have IT, HR and carpenter spouses. Of the ones who sadly died one was divorced and the others spouse was retired. My DD works in healthcare so that might be the confusion ? But she's mainly a medical student so wasn't in hospitals at the start of all this.

“ Provide realistic guidance and substantial extra resources to ensure schools can minimise chains of transmission ( for example: parental guidance on when to keep their child at home applying the precautionary principle; rigorous hygiene; physical distancing and reduced mixing; extra teachers; PPE - including face coverings for teachers, older children and those with underlying heath issues; management of staffrooms; regular testing; and prioritisation for vaccines for teachers).”

Go on Clav, what’s the Royal Society’s political agenda so you can dismiss their opinion too?

www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-give-teachers-ppe-keep-schools-open-say-researchers

Iminaglasscaseofemotion

You really feel the need to win this don't you.

No-one cares if you or I or any poster disappears off into the ether.

And just FYI, you are wrong when you said that I am a parent.

@FrippEnos

Iminaglasscaseofemotion

You really feel the need to win this don't you.

No-one cares if you or I or any poster disappears off into the ether.

And just FYI, you are wrong when you said that I am a parent.

I feel the need to win? I'm just answering your posts directed at me, as you do everytime I direst a post to you.

I don't recall saying you were a parent at all.

But many office based staff are not returning as it is not considered safe. My sister works for NHS Finance, she has been told no one in her department will return until after Christmas, my nephew works for the Inland Revenue, he won't be returning until at least October and even then on a part time basis only, my son has been provided with a computer, desk and chair so he can continue to work from home. Some office based staff have returned but many remain working from home.
In my school three members of staff out of 11 have tested positive, thankfully all are ok, one parent wasn't as lucky.

Eh? No idea what that means.

It means untie your knickers, they are clearly in a knot. You are getting pretty wound up on this thread. You asked for opinions and you got them. 50% agree with you so far, and 50% don't. I'm sure you will all argue your point to the bitter end.

As for the poster who said "though you were on holiday", yes, I am, but I'm here alone with the kids and one is having a bath and one is watching a film and I'm bored 🤷

Also, just to clarify. I don't want my kids back at school full time as normal, but I don't want them in masks all day wither. One reason being, I don't trust other kids to wear masks properly. Infact I don't trust most teachers to wear masks properly if I'm honest, so I think having half the kids in and trying to social distance them as much as possible is a better idea.

Not wound up. Baffled by incomprehensible posts and outright lies.

Glad to see some parents supporting teachers who are trying to keep everyone as safe as possible.

Annoyed with Johnson, Dom and Gav for trying to throw teachers under a bus.

Enjoy your holiday.

Go on Clav, what’s the Royal Society’s political agenda so you can dismiss their opinion too?

Unfortunately I cannot seem to open the report without downloading a coupon thingy - but the two lead authors mentioned in your link are not obviously linked to health;

"Professor Simon Burgess, professor of economics at the University of Bristol and a lead author of the report..."

"Professor Anna Vignoles, professor of education at the University of Cambridge and a lead author of the report..."

@Iminaglasscaseofemotion I'd like that plan too. Please petition the government as we are not allowed to do that.

@DomDoesWotHeWants

Not wound up. Baffled by incomprehensible posts and outright lies.

Glad to see some parents supporting teachers who are trying to keep everyone as safe as possible.

Annoyed with Johnson, Dom and Gav for trying to throw teachers under a bus.

Enjoy your holiday.

Do you find all posts that disagree with you incomprehensible?

@Iminaglasscaseofemotion

Eh? No idea what that means.

It means untie your knickers, they are clearly in a knot. You are getting pretty wound up on this thread. You asked for opinions and you got them. 50% agree with you so far, and 50% don't. I'm sure you will all argue your point to the bitter end.

As for the poster who said "though you were on holiday", yes, I am, but I'm here alone with the kids and one is having a bath and one is watching a film and I'm bored 🤷

Well said.

They complain that teachers are shown no respect on MN, yet here they are calling us all uneducated, thick, conspiracies theorists and other such slurs.

It will be a nightmare kids wearing masks. They will have to change the things regularly- people on long haul flights are told to change every two hours, I have a relative who is a nurse who is on a clean zone, so non-covid. Despite this, any time she needs the loo, or a drink, she has to go and change masks. How many times a day do kids drink from their water bottle? That means a new mask.
Clearly, none of the teachers here teach biology. The very nature of breathing out has a purpose our body relies on. To chuck a mask over means no fresh air, all day. The risk to their lungs in huge.
The other concern was someone upthread calling the wearing of masks in school "the new normal". So what, we make kids wear them forever? Ridiculous.
Apparently though, we have no right to show concern for our kids wellbeing, as they're free babysitters (you know, forgetting we pay tax towards this free babysitting).

@LadyofTheManners 😂😂😂😂 sorry best laugh of the day. A) please show me posts where anyone has said any of those things. And B) if I only have to babysit next year that is awesome, thank you. I won't bother planning any lessons. Woo hoo, got my summer holiday.

The paper’s here, Clav. rs-delve.github.io/reports/2020/07/24/balancing-the-risk-of-pupils-returning-to-schools.html

It appears very comprehensive, they have plenty of health expertise in the team to draw on and they recommend face coverings for teachers and older students.

@noblegiraffe

The paper’s here, Clav. rs-delve.github.io/reports/2020/07/24/balancing-the-risk-of-pupils-returning-to-schools.html

It appears very comprehensive, they have plenty of health expertise in the team to draw on and they recommend face coverings for teachers and older students.

I can't see. Has this paper been peer reviewed/published? Or just an opinion price?

Not wound up. Baffled by incomprehensible posts and outright lies.

I haven't struggled to understand anyone's posts, and I'm dyslexic! A slight typo and you don't understand the whole post?

[quote StatisticalSense]@labyrinthloafer
The problem the BMA has is that it is much a union with inherent political views as it is an organisation that represents the medical views of doctors and as such people conflate the factual things coming from it from the ideologically driven stuff (while I would agree that the stuff on masks appears relatively uncontroversial some of the guys previous comments are clearly not). In many ways they would be better served by having duel spokespeople with one focusing on areas that are fundamentally political in areas such as NHS funding and doctors pay and the other steering clear of such issues and speaking solely on medical issues.[/quote]
Yes yes, they must be pure, and never say anything of any meaning.

The BMA were pretty vocal in opposition to establishing the NHS, and the Tories had no problem with that then!

noblegiraffe
Thank you. It is a long report! I did spot this;

"So far, there are very few data-sets available on school-specific transmission, but the balance of evidence so far suggests that schools play only a limited role in overall transmission.This is in marked contrast with influenza, where there is strong evidence that schools are an important driver of overall nationwide transmission. The international data that are available shows at most very limited transmission in schools where a child was the index case."

They complain that teachers are shown no respect on MN, yet here they are calling us all uneducated, thick, conspiracies theorists and other such slurs.

Yup there it is again, the smug sanctimonious post aimed at you with laughing faces. It doesn't really help their argument.

Try re reading the post he found baffling. I too couldn’t comprehend what we were meant to do in our knickers. Presumably a typo. Strange to double down on claiming he has a comprehension problem.

Why are you all so angry? What is it about teachers wanting to ensure schools are safe fills you with such vitriol and makes you deny realities like teenagers do spread covid and will be hugely crowded into a poorly ventilated building that won’t be deep cleaned regularly? Or that we already have staff shortages and the best chance of keeping schools open is to try and minimise infections by either having sd or ppe or both?

@Clavinova there aren't many data sets in schools - because they have been closed to most students. And no one was being tested when they were open. Bit like Priti Patel announcing shop lifting decreased. When shops were shut.

Has this paper been peer reviewed/published? Or just an opinion price?

It doesn’t need peer review as it’s not a piece of research. It’s a team of experts looking at the evidence and forming recommendations based on them. It’s not ‘just’ an opinion piece because it’s a group formed of experts, not, say, Owen Jones.

[quote mumsneedwine]@Clavinova there aren't many data sets in schools - because they have been closed to most students. And no one was being tested when they were open. Bit like Priti Patel announcing shop lifting decreased. When shops were shut. [/quote]
You think there is no data? From the millions and millions of covid cases worldwide? That is exactly what we do have now. Data