AIBU in agreeing with the NASUWT that masks should be worn in schools by over 11s?

[DomDoesWotHeWants]

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/28/unions-call-for-teachers-in-england-to-be-able-to-wear-face-masks

Given that they have to be worn almost everywhere else indoors by over 11s it would be the right thing to do. Adults working in schools have as much right to be protected as bus drivers and shop workers.

So AIBU in agreeing with the NASUWT that masks should be worn in schools by over 11s?

People having a different opinion that includes wanting to risk the health of you and all of your colleagues and deny you basic safety measures is a bit different to disagreeing which brand of nappies is better.

Opinions are only valid when based on facts. If they are based on made up shit then of course it gets called out. It's a very stupid thing to do.

Difficult to be polite to people who do that.

The chief of the BMA has said today that wearing masks is a very good idea. Sure some parents still know better than him though.

I'm not sure I would follow everything the BMA chair says (he is something of a Labour activist - the BMA is a trade union) although I am still undecided about face masks for secondary school pupils myself;

Chaand Nagpaul, BMA chair claimed Tories underfunded the NHS to "accelerate private sector takeover."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/19/chaand-nagpaul-bma-chair-claimed-tories-underfunded-nhs-accelerate/

"BMA drops opposition to schools reopening. Doctors' group says pupils should return 'if safe' as it rows back on support for unions"...
"The BMA was dragged into the row when Chaand Nagpaul, the chairman of the BMA Council, wrote a letter of support to the NEU after it advised teachers “not to engage” with the Government’s plans to reopen schools" ...

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/19/bma-drops-opposition-schools-reopening/

Iminaglasscaseofemotion

I wouldn't have said you were completely wrong, but I certainly don't agree with you.

You said I was something that I am not, that makes you wrong.

Oh there are definitely people who think they are winning on this thread. You being one.

Even though I said that there is no winning on the internet? you seem to have comprehension problems.

Just look at the sanctimonious, sarcastic replies to people on this thread, just because they have a different opinion.

Coming from someone that is doing this, the irony is not lost.

Telling others they are uneducated is just embarrassing really. Makes those posters look like complete knobs.

I haven't done this, so why are you making this up?

Anyway I'm on holiday now.

Why do we even need to know this?

OP it's very difficult to be polite to you and some of the other posters on this thread but many have managed, even after having countless insults thrown at them.

It's not made up shit. When the government make masks mandatory for everyone in school settings, then you can tell people they were wrong. People are allowed to form their own opinions based on what they read, watch or think themselves.
Some of you really need to grow up. Telling people they are uneducated because they have a differing opinion to you, does not make you sound educated, just the opposite infact.
Don't worry the people on this thread aren't in control of mask wearing rules, so you can into your knickers.

to the NEU after it advised teachers “not to engage” with the Government’s plans to reopen schools" ...

Once again the NEU has never said this in the way that it has been pushed by some rags

@Iminaglasscaseofemotion thought you were on holiday ?
@Clavinova so I should ignore a doctor. Someone who treats sick people. And believe stuff that is in newspapers. Is that correct ? Just a bit surprised as I thought doctors knew the medical stuff, not journalists.

@Iminaglasscaseofemotion

OP it's very difficult to be polite to you and some of the other posters on this thread but many have managed, even after having countless insults thrown at them.

It's not made up shit. When the government make masks mandatory for everyone in school settings, then you can tell people they were wrong. People are allowed to form their own opinions based on what they read, watch or think themselves.
Some of you really need to grow up. Telling people they are uneducated because they have a differing opinion to you, does not make you sound educated, just the opposite infact.
Don't worry the people on this thread aren't in control of mask wearing rules, so you can into your knickers.

I'm sure the daily fail will be just sitting back watching threads like these with £££ in their eyes! Some of the quotes from these teachers!

I'm not sure I would follow everything the BMA chair says (he is something of a Labour activist - the BMA is a trade union)

Why are you trying to politicise mask wearing? That’s hardly gone well for the US.

Actually, the most striking thing for me about the mask debate is even Trump has been wearing one.

Don't worry the people on this thread aren't in control of mask wearing rules, so you can into your knickers.

Eh? No idea what that means.

Made up shit on this thread -

The idea that it's a proven fact that children don't spread Covid. - It isn't.

The idea that unions are trying to prevent schools opening. - They aren't.

The notion that teachers want schools to stay closed. - They don't.

The idea that masks don't stop the spread. - They do.

These opinions have no validity. I'm not going to pretend they have. It isn't a difference of opinion it's people saying things that aren't true or are unproven.

There are people who say the earth is flat. That's not a valid opinion either. Why should anyone pretend it is?

askmehowiknow

Some of the quotes from these teachers!

Yes, how dare teachers want to be as safe as possible when at work.
And try and get something done that will keep schools open for as long as possible.

@Clavinova more anti union stuff. First of of it is those dastardly teacher unions and not it is the BMA.

Plenty of posters across a number of threads have been advised to get union support with employment issues recently.

@askmehowiknow. - and even more terrifying is that a lot of those teachers are parents as well. Gosh!

The second school in the Israel link;

"An environmental school inspection reported crowded classes: 35–38 students per class, class area 39–49 m2, allowing 1.1–1.3 m2 per student (below the 1.5 m2 standard). Distancing among students and between students and teachers was not possible. Furthermore, during the extreme heatwave, air-conditioning functioned continuously in all classes."
"According to the school schedule, students study 6 days (Sunday to Friday) for 38–40 h weekly (6.3–6.7 h daily on average)."
"Most students also participate in extracurricular activities such as sports teams or dance classes for an average of 2–4 h per week."

The same school here -Times of Israel;

"Over 100 cases linked to Gymnasia Rehavia, with teacher ‘super-spreader’ blamed."

"According to Channel 12, a “super-spreader” teacher at the Rehavia neighorbood-based school caused the mass infections, after coming in to teach despite knowing he was sick."

www.timesofisrael.com/as-school-concerns-mount-all-from-jerusalem-high-school-hit-by-virus-isolated/

What's been interesting is watching the votes change. When this thread started it was more in favour of yabu, it's been creeping up and now 50/50.

It's a sorry state of affairs when people dismiss the views of the Chair of the BMA, on political grounds, because they don't like what he's saying.

This country is so messed up, politically.

YABU.
Unless and until the vast majority of adults are being expected to wear masks in the workplace it is unreasonable to expect children to do so. If there is a benefit to wearing masks in a school there is an equal benefit in an office, call centre or commercial kitchen yet masks are not expected on staff in any of these environments. If the government makes masks compulsory in these environments but not schools there is a cause for complaint but until that happens I see no reason why children should be treated any differently (and I think exactly the same thing about schools continuing with uniforms including ties). That being said other than in cases where non verbal communication or the sight of the mouth is essential such as teaching infants phonics or where a person relies on lip reading both children and teachers (and others in the classroom) should be able to choose to wear a mask if they so wish and it may be appropriate to ask parents to wear a mask when collecting and dropping off children.

Aren't office and call centre staff working from home, or with social distancing?
I sometimes wonder if I watch a different news to everyone else

mumsneedwine
You posted up thread that several teachers at your school had Covid symptoms earlier in the year. I vaguely remember your original post at the time - am I correct in remembering that both teachers also have partners/close family members who work in a healthcare profession - or am I thinking of another poster?

Even though I said that there is no winning on the internet? you seem to have comprehension problems.

I said some people seem to "think they are winning" seems YOU are the one who has limited comprehensive skills.

Coming from someone that is doing this, the irony is not lost.

When?

You said I was something that I am not, that makes you wrong.

Refresh my memory.

I haven't done this, so why are you making this up?

That parent wasn't aimed at you then, it was to the people who did say it.

Why do we even need to know this?

Because if I don't answer that's why. I have other things to do. Right now I don't though so I have time to humour you reply.

Post, not parent

an equal benefit in an office, call centre or commercial kitchen

Oh mate, secondary schools are nothing like working in an office, call centre or commercial kitchen.

Matt Hancock made the same stupid mistake. Who is briefing these idiots?

There also needs to be clarity between primary and secondary school. I'm not as worried about my primary child who according to the letter from school will be in a bubble of 30 children and same teacher and ta, same classroom same toilets. This makes sense. My senior 'children' (who have gone through puberty, one who is 6ft 4, full beard and is not 16 until October) are in a tracing group of 260/280 crammed into desks 33 in a class on level four with no opening windows, who due to gsce choices mix with most of the year group. Where I work (I have more than one job) we are not allowed in the store aisles together(large warehouse) , we have to sign in and out to get items as the owners think we can not social distance. Pre covid there could have been 10 people in an aisle. There is no way my employer would agree to what teachers are expected to do.

@labyrinthloafer
The problem the BMA has is that it is much a union with inherent political views as it is an organisation that represents the medical views of doctors and as such people conflate the factual things coming from it from the ideologically driven stuff (while I would agree that the stuff on masks appears relatively uncontroversial some of the guys previous comments are clearly not). In many ways they would be better served by having duel spokespeople with one focusing on areas that are fundamentally political in areas such as NHS funding and doctors pay and the other steering clear of such issues and speaking solely on medical issues.

No not parent or post, it was supposed to say that part of the post.