To think no, there should not be additional support for people who are on holiday in Spain

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If you dashed off on holiday when it’s bleeding blindingly bloody obvious that this virus has not gone away but was just subdued by lockdown, no you shouldn’t be entitled to any extra help with having to quarantine when you come home!

Some of us haven’t seen family for months, we have taken pay cuts and lost jobs, we haven’t rushed into pubs and bars and onto beaches, precisely because we do not want to see a second spike.

If you choose to go on holiday and to travel, that’s your right and your choice and it’s not illegal, but you should have been isolating on your return anyway. Those of us who have been more restrained do not want to catch it because you couldn’t wait a bit longer for a holiday, and you’re spreading it all over the place when you get back. If you chose a holiday, you can deal with the isolation to keep everyone else a bit safer.

AIBU?

But people aren't saying they can't do anything that are in the guidelines, they just have to factor in potential self isolation.

Make your own decisions, spend as much as you want but funding is huge and finished tg

Nope, i can eat like a pig and now Bojo will give me a new bicycle! loads of money in the Tory magic money tree forest!

It does affect me if some clown who swanned off to the circus without thinking of the consequences brings it back with him and spreads it around and/or expects the tax payer to bail him out, yes.

If you can self isolate upon return, and you’re happy to take the risk of exposure at the airports, on the plane etc, then fine (although even then there is some suggestion that even 14 days isn’t enough as some people can carry it for longer).

We’ve made some really first world but also difficult sacrifices. No haircuts, no eating out, no beauty treatments, no football, no seeing friends, no nursery, no grandparents, no holiday. It’s been very dull and sometimes quite grim and my husband’s work (photographer) has totally dried up. However, nobody we love has caught it, and we’re all safe.

That’s our priority. I totally understand that others have different priorities. But I don’t understand why some think others should pay for them, and it’s those people about whom this thread was started.

Nope, i can eat like a pig and now Bojo will give me a new bicycle!

Take the bicycle then and lose weight but don’t expect anything else. Why do people want to load more debt on debt.

Marsha... a new bike is far more than 2 weeks SSP.

...oh and when that fails they'll get 1000s in surgery :( but thats all but follow Govt advice and suddenly you are public idiot no1

I'd rather show compassion for people needing help, tbh.
I can see where you come from, but there are many areas you could apply this to.
idiots who have to be rescued from tiny little holes and crevices. Those climbing mountains, surfers that get into trouble.

@Stickystick Agreed. No fan of this government but if they do not act decisively when numbers are increasing across Europe we will soon see cases rise here as we did after February half term and the return of skiers. People we screaming for them the act back then, now they have acted and they are not happy so it seems they cannot win.

Lucky you then. Why ask for more debt on top?

I cba talking about bicycles anyway. This thread is about funding quarantine and thankfully it’s not funded. Imposing another huge hit, handing out to many who won’t even need it (unless you are going to spend on admin to sort the wheat from chaff too?) is not what we should do. Debt is high enough.

How exactly are they meant to make sure people actually quarantine once they arrive back home though?
They list an address and then what?

I should be on holiday right now. Lazing on a beach in a 'corridor country'.

But, I'm not a dick. I realised we're in the middle of a.global pandemic. That corridors could be removed, and that locksdowns could come into place again. I also realised that it would be ridiculous to risk others just for a holiday.

As a keyworker who has worked throughout.. no easter time off, no half term off I am exhausted and broken. But these are.not normal times. We've booked one night in a cheap chain hotel near my Mum so I can at least see her.

YANBU

I don't see any appeal in a holiday in the current climate, on the beach in a mask, no atmosphere in restaurants. We have missed out on two hols, and decided not to go even if we lost the money, as it ended we didn't so are saving that till we can go away in a more normal time.

I'm perm so using my hols leave to have a much needed break from work, don't need to go on hols to do this. My DH is a contractor and unlikely to be renewed so he's working now while he can.

People do need a break from work but for me this is just not the year to travel abroad. I think people that did so took the risk.

As someone who has recently returned from Spain after four months of unanticipated lockdown I completely agree with you.

As someone desperate to return to my second home over there before the winter, before I start shrieking with pain, I do have a limited amount of sympathy with those who really need the sun or a break. BUT I would never ever expect anyone else to bail me out.

We are all in an extreme ongoing and dangerous situation. If we are prepared to gamble then we must accept it with good grace if we "lose".

travel companies aren't cancelling people are faced with an impossible choice?. It's not an impossible choice, unless you're a complete simpleton

The Government didn’t force people to go on holiday when there is a global pandemic. The Government guidelines are quite clear that foreign travel requirements are subject to review, and quarantine can and will be imposed if rates rise in a particular country. If people choose to take the risk then they should be prepared to take the consequences.

Totally agree with this. Funny how people can hear the bits of an announcement that they want to hear - i.e. you can travel abroad - but switch off when the warnings are given and then whine about it when the things they were warned about happen!

we were booked to go, it was cancelled. If it was not cancelled we would have gone, but we were aware that this might mean getting stuck out there, or having to lock down when we got back. This was part of our thought process in the weeks before the holiday was cancelled, and we started making contingency plans, mainly for getting stuck out there. If you were going to go, you were aware that you might get stuck there or have to quarantine.

At last, someone talking sense! Thanks for posting this OP. 😊

The entire issue is predicated on SOME people's sense of entitlement to just go away. I totally understand the frustration of those who booked way before the pandemic and have no comeback now. That is a right kick in the teeth.

Most have stayed at home. But there is another issue there also. The high tourist areas of UK are not big enough to take the huge population we have. So prices go up and places are uncomfortably crowded as a result.

I hope you are all ok and dealing with this as best you can. So sorry for those who have lost a ton of money, it's awful.

I’ll be really hacked off if the government give financial support to those who have gone on holiday when the very reason we didn’t go on holiday to Greece was to prevent being put in the situation that those in Spain are now in. They chose to go abroad, knowing that this could happen. Unluckily, there gamble has not paid off and now, unfortunately they will have to isolate. Yes, it’s shit, but as grown ups who should be aware of current affairs, they all knew the risks.

YABU
Less chance of catching Covid in Spain than in U.K.
You are being very precious.

YANBU. It's the height of first world entitlement, insisting you need a holiday abroad in the middle of a global pandemic. Fucking ridiculous.

We booked at Christmas. We waited until the Govt. agreed the airbridges. We confirmed flights for the kids and I about 3 weeks ago, DH only on Wednesday. On Saturday the first announcement meant DH woulD not be going. DH can’t work from home. I can. The outbreaks in Spain are not close to our destination.

I can wfh through quarantine, and had actually planned to take my laptop in case we got stuck in Spain. (This was with my boss’ blessing)

The ban on non-essential travel means we won’t be travelling, but I can’t get vouchers, only move my flights and pay a charge. That isn’t fair.

This thread is about funding quarantine and thankfully it’s not funded. Imposing another huge hit, handing out to many who won’t even need it (unless you are going to spend on admin to sort the wheat from chaff too?) is not what we should do. Debt is high enough

I think you and many here are completely missing the point, If help isn't provided then people will ignore the quarantine, we then fuck the travel sector and spread CV...

What exactly is the point in that?

@jasjas1973

This thread is about funding quarantine and thankfully it’s not funded. Imposing another huge hit, handing out to many who won’t even need it (unless you are going to spend on admin to sort the wheat from chaff too?) is not what we should do. Debt is high enough

I think you and many here are completely missing the point, If help isn't provided then people will ignore the quarantine, we then fuck the travel sector and spread CV...

What exactly is the point in that?

but if help is provided than all that will enable is idiots to go on holidays + 2 weeks extra staying home on tax payer money. Holiday is not an essential trip. I'm with many: haven't seen my parents for 7 months as they are in another country. It sucks, but we are grown ups, have phone/video chat and it's not the end of the world. If everyone could understand that the more we starve the virus of hosts now the sooner we can get back to something much safer (until vaccine is found).

but looking at news i have to realize that individual responsibility is a concept that most don't get. They are entitled and shit, but the fact that they have responsibilities alludes them.

but if help is provided than all that will enable is idiots to go on holidays + 2 weeks extra staying home on tax payer money.
Precisely.

Nobody is missing the point.