To think no, there should not be additional support for people who are on holiday in Spain

[paellaandpies]

If you dashed off on holiday when it’s bleeding blindingly bloody obvious that this virus has not gone away but was just subdued by lockdown, no you shouldn’t be entitled to any extra help with having to quarantine when you come home!

Some of us haven’t seen family for months, we have taken pay cuts and lost jobs, we haven’t rushed into pubs and bars and onto beaches, precisely because we do not want to see a second spike.

If you choose to go on holiday and to travel, that’s your right and your choice and it’s not illegal, but you should have been isolating on your return anyway. Those of us who have been more restrained do not want to catch it because you couldn’t wait a bit longer for a holiday, and you’re spreading it all over the place when you get back. If you chose a holiday, you can deal with the isolation to keep everyone else a bit safer.

AIBU?

The discussion about how flexible employers can and should be really spells out that there is a cost for some people in quarantining. That cost will have to be borne somewhere along the line, and if the individual doesn't have access to enough money to live on then it won't be by them, or quarantining will not happen.

They are saying that anyone returning from Spain must quarantine for 14 days, realistically someone could go on holiday somewhere in the UK, infection rates could go up where they are going & there is no way of knowing who is in the area, it's only through passport control that it is able to record who has returned from Spain. Is someone going to go round knocking on their doors to check that they are all staying in when they return? In reality it is unenforceable.

Numbers in mainland Spain have been rising over the past few days, so if I had a holiday booked it would have given me pause for thought if I should go or not.

However the Canaries and Balearic Islands infection rates are incredibly low, so it firstly makes no sense to brand people irresponsible for traveling there and secondly is also illogical to have a 2 week quarantine when you return from there as infection rate lower than many other non quarantine countries.

So none of you complaining have gone to the hairdressers/pubs/visited friends and family etc since that's been allowed as you're all being much more cautious and smarter than following the government advice and taking personal responsibility for not spreading the virus, sticking to full lock down? Yeah, right.

No, not done any of that. We've barely left our village since February. We usually have 3 foreign holidays per year and it's a massive disappointment that we're not going anywhere this year. But that's all it is - a disappointment - thankfully no one we know has died and that's all that matters in the middle of a Worldwide pandemic. Holidays etc can easily be deferred a year. We're not risking ourselves or those around us for a quick jolly.

Hols restrictions were lifted in June and the Govt said at the time "this will enable Brits to have a summer holiday....

The also said that this would be reviewed and that countries could be added or removed from restrictions at any time. In addition people are at the mercy of foreign governments that could without notice impose restrictions or quarantine in arrivals from the UK. People have short memories, just think about how hard and fast European countries went into lockdown leaving people stranded. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Additional Support? After a fucking HOLIDAY????

We can't even afford to renew our passports! We have living on 650 quid a month + my PIP. No furlough, no additional help from Government funds, nothing.

People have brains. whether they only use them to find the answers to questions that they like and ignore those they don't, well bad fucking luck.

I'd give my eye teeth for a job; MW would be fine but elderly disabled woman vs young newly qualified person? Not a chance.

Sorry, got a bit cross there ^^

@BackInTime Comes back to why on earth restrictions were lifted in the first place.

As i said early... no real difference from going to a restaurant and having a cut price Rishi meal, Govt say we can so we do.... Thats how it works.

Honestly these posts are getting annoying - do you not have anything else to think about other than other people's misfortune?

So none of you complaining have gone to the hairdressers/pubs/visited friends and family etc since that's been allowed as you're all being much more cautious and smarter than following the government advice and taking personal responsibility for not spreading the virus, sticking to full lock down? Yeah, right.

There's a difference between going to have your hair done where there's a slim chance you may have to isolate if someone else who has been has had symptoms; and going abroad during a pandemic when they said things could change again. That's stupidity, the only ones I feel sorry for are those who booked way before this and couldn't get refunds so thought may as well, or those going to see families. Those who booked a cheap getaway because they wanted a holiday in the middle of a pandemic can get to fuck.

But that is the risk everyone takes who goes and gets their hair done, going to a pub. You now have to factor in the possibility of 2 week self isolation. That is why DH and I are limiting are non social distanced contact time with other people.

But that is the risk everyone takes who goes and gets their hair done, going to a pub

Yet the Govt is encouraging all this and i wonder how many now against helping holiday makers will soon change their tune should they lose their jobs because of that Rishi cut price meal?

YABU

They were following the government guidelines as they were.

This virus is going to be around for a long time - are people really going to put life on hold for potentially years?!

@jasjas1973 Restrictions were lifted due to industry and public pressure. The government were trusting people to use common sense judge the risks based on their individual situation. They made it clear it could be reviewed. There are people who can afford to take the risks of quarantine both financially and due to WFH, retired or the nature of their job. Going to the hairdressers or the shops does not entail taking 2 weeks annual leave and or cost thousands so chances are people would be more likely to be able to cope with quarantine restrictions if necessary in this situation. These things may also be considered essential whereas a holiday is not.

The government also very clearly said airbridges can be removed without notice but most people seem to have conviently forgotten this.

Did they clearly say that? I wasn’t following closely, but I don’t recall that.

are people really going to put life on hold for potentially years?!

You don’t have to. But you might have to quarantine / isolate at any time.

@paellaandpies I agree

I’m so sick of self righteous twats like you ,op.
Who gives a fuck ? It doesn’t affect you does it ..

Amen!

@Livpool

YABU

They were following the government guidelines as they were.

This virus is going to be around for a long time - are people really going to put life on hold for potentially years?!

This is MN land! We have to close everything, all borders, too, until there is NO more Covid anywhere, we'll live without trade, which requires travel, from anywhere else because Covid might get on it. Never mind money or products, we don't need them. COVID! OMG!

@MintyMabel

Uniglo how much support do you think the government should keep handing out?

The new rules for the Canaries are bizarre as they have had something like 160 deaths total compared to the shit show of the UK but whatever.

The people who think we have bottomless funding are more of a pita.

Make your own decisions, spend as much as you want but funding is huge and finished tg.

But @MintyMabel surely it doesn't take a genius to know that there was risk of self isolation/lockdown/quarantine going on holiday. It is not like the virus has gone away.

It is a bit like people saying they are mixing households and hugging family members, they are taking a risk that they could possibly pass on the virus, especially as many people seem to be asymptomatic. They are also taking the risk that they may have to self isolate if a family member tests positive if they have been in close contact.

I am no fan of the Government but they have done exact the right thing here. They said all along that air bridges were not permanent and might have to be ended if the situation changed. The situation HAS changed and (for once) they have not messed about - they’ve reimposed quarantine straight away. I’ve no patience with “holidaymakers” in Spain whinging that the Government should have given more notice - as we are all learning, delays are fatal.

The idea that the Government should underwrite people’s holidays is barmy. Really, going abroad for a holiday at all this summer is barmy - if you choose to go down that route then you do so at your own risk.