To think no, there should not be additional support for people who are on holiday in Spain

[paellaandpies]

If you dashed off on holiday when it’s bleeding blindingly bloody obvious that this virus has not gone away but was just subdued by lockdown, no you shouldn’t be entitled to any extra help with having to quarantine when you come home!

Some of us haven’t seen family for months, we have taken pay cuts and lost jobs, we haven’t rushed into pubs and bars and onto beaches, precisely because we do not want to see a second spike.

If you choose to go on holiday and to travel, that’s your right and your choice and it’s not illegal, but you should have been isolating on your return anyway. Those of us who have been more restrained do not want to catch it because you couldn’t wait a bit longer for a holiday, and you’re spreading it all over the place when you get back. If you chose a holiday, you can deal with the isolation to keep everyone else a bit safer.

AIBU?

We should be returning today from Spain today after 2 weeks & have lost our flight money (Ryanair), car hire & £1000 villa deposit. We booked before Christmas & took out insurance but because we technically chose not to go, we've lost out.

Did we do the right thing...definitely!
Am I pissed off... Yes!
Would I do the same again...absolutely!

@Fluffybutter
Well said!

I agree. Many made the mistake in March it was a bad choice to go then it was a completely crazy choice to go now.

@BoredHoolet

YABU

Government tells you not to earn, government should compensate you.

if you could afford a holiday in spain you should be able to support yourself at home for a fortnight ,and don't need or deserve compensation by the govt.

Some of us haven’t seen family for months, we have taken pay cuts and lost jobs, we haven’t rushed into pubs and bars and onto beaches, precisely because we do not want to see a second spike

This is me. I started my business in January and wound it up in April. I don’t qualify for any financial assistance while I haven’t worked.
I haven’t been laying on the beach, dashing to the hairdresser or hugging my family in the garden. I haven’t been doing these things because I desperately want my child to be able to go back to school in September. She was so confused during lockdown and missed her school mates and teachers. The only way this will happen is if numbers stay low. The only way that will happen is if people act responsibly.
Heading off to Spain the minute it is ‘allowed’ isn’t acting responsibly imo.

Yanbu why should people be compensated for being selfish irresponsible idiots.

Prioritising a holiday if no savings or money for two weeks food etc is a choice made by the individuals, no one else should be bailing them out as it was a choice they made.

I agree with this. I do have sympathy for people who made the choice to go away and now are have to quarantine as it must be a really crap situation, but if you are on such a shoestring that you couldn’t afford to lose two weeks wages, a holiday in Spain is a really bad idea.

I've just heard a suggestion on the news that they should be offered furlough for the two weeks. Yeah go on holiday and then we can all pay for you to sit on your arse for a further two weeks. Madness.

I agree it was a risk to go during a pandemic and all those who have booked to go elsewhere now need to think about what they will do if the same happens to their destination.

Some of us (3 million workers) have had no financial support from the gov anyway, and have been living off savings since March. No sign of work re-opening until next year now. 10 months is a long time to live like this.

If people have to isolate for two weeks without being paid, then I'm afraid I can't feel sorry for them.

We should be like NZ and close our borders. Probably way too late now though .

I'm not going to agree or disagree with you. I work in the travel industry so my views on it come from more than one perspective and are probably somewhat biased.

I will say however that I think it's unfair that the government announced this decision with just a few hours notice, when others (mask wearing, moving into different stages) have given people needless days and days before being brought in.

I don't know what difference 48 or 72 hours notice would have made to the grand scheme of things in this case, but it may have allowed some to get home before it came into force.

We're on holiday in Majorca now (don't live in England so different rules, but prepared to quarantine on return if necessary, and will until we have our test results back) and honestly I feel much safer here than I do at home. Social distancing is being taken SERIOUSLY here, by everyone we've encountered, which is absolutely not the case at home.

I think YABU but I will be in the minority judging by the poll results so far.

I wouldn't go on holiday, but I can't understand this vitriol against those who have chosen to do so.

Why on earth do people enjoy trying to tell others what to do? If you haven't visited family members, haven't visited a restaurant, haven't met with friends - that's your choice. No need to be so judgemental against those who have chosen to do so.

@GreytExpectations

YABU the guidelines allowed for holidays. The restrictions were lifted. You cant blame people for following the guidelines. That's just as bad as telling people they are stupid for going to Primark when it's been re-opened and shoppers are now allowed

The government also very clearly said airbridges can be removed without notice but most people seem to have conviently forgotten this.

Not everyone is saying they shouldn’t have gone, they are just saying the possibility of quarantine/self isolation needs to be taken into account by people and not for that to be funded by the taxpayer.

I would have loved to go abroad for a bit of sun , but without adequate insurance available I personally would not consider it at the moment .

if you could afford a holiday in spain you should be able to support yourself at home for a fortnight ,and don't need or deserve compensation by the govt.

This is not actually how it works though. It's perfectly possible to have been on holiday in Spain, particularly given the colossal variation in holiday costs, but not have sufficient savings to be able to fund two weeks living costs less SSP. There's no requirement to show you have x amount of savings before getting on a plane.

So again, the question is whether we think it's worth paying people to quarantine who wouldn't be able to afford it otherwise. We're not going to get anywhere answering that question if we're pretending it doesn't exist.

InFive people can book and take the risk this is about no financial support if quarantine is imposed.

I disagree that 'nobody' needs a holiday. I personally don't, though I wouldn't turn one down if I knew I could be beamed home in seconds at any whiff of a problem, but I know a widowed woman of 82 who lost her husband in December and who is in temporary remission from incurable blood cancer who badly needs some time away. Preferably somewhere warm and sunny.

So, we stop looking after those who make bad decisions.

Why do people need financial support exactly ? Because they can’t work
Can’t most WFH like most of lockdown surely

@InFiveMins

I think YABU but I will be in the minority judging by the poll results so far.

I wouldn't go on holiday, but I can't understand this vitriol against those who have chosen to do so.

Why on earth do people enjoy trying to tell others what to do? If you haven't visited family members, haven't visited a restaurant, haven't met with friends - that's your choice. No need to be so judgemental against those who have chosen to do so.

I have no vitriol towards anyone and I'm neither envious or smug. And for the record I have no interest in telling people what to do or judge them in this situation.

However they went to Spain knowing full well things could change in a heartbeat so they should've considered whether they could afford to quarantine for 14 days should the rules change. I'm not willing to pick up the bill for people that just couldn't bear to forgo their holiday.

And just so we're clear, dh has worked the whole way through the pandemic and is exhausted, I was furloughed but have been back at work for weeks with a skeleton staff and am exhausted. We still aren't going on a foreign holiday and have forgone the money, not because we can't afford to quarantine, we can. It's because we are trying to do the right thing for us and that means staying at home, in the garden.

@Thisisworsethananticpated

Why do people need financial support exactly ? Because they can’t work Can’t most WFH like most of lockdown surely

Well hopefully. However, that leaves us with the issue of those who can't, or who can but for whatever reason aren't going to be allowed to.

widowed woman of 82
Well quarantine e is surely not a problem? She will be funded. Through it by her pension. The question was should people be paid for their quarantine by the taxpayer, and the answer is definitely not!
OP YANBU

Only ONE person has been fined for breaking a quarantine since they were introduced back in June.

Now it maybe that we are all law abiding but it may also be the Police cannot enforce this law.

Employment lawyers say no SSP no UC and your employer has every right to dismiss you and does not have to even offer WFH.

I think the incentive to ignore will be very high.

So, we stop looking after those who make bad decisions.
We don't reward people with 2 extra weeks holiday paid for by the taxpayer for making blatantly stupid decisions, no.