To report someone returning from Spain

[Archie1989]

A friend of my partner has said he has no intention of isolating on his return from Spain. Should I anonymously report them? My mum was on the shielding list and it’s making me quite angry. People who went abroad would know the risks during all of this....and then to refuse to isolate shows such arrogance and disregard for others.

I don’t know this person well and I don’t want to make my partner feel stuck in the middle.

As soon as I read brigade, I lose all respect for the poster.

Is that as opposed to the people using "Stasi" then? Theyre obviously far more intelligent right?

Yes. That's exactly what I wrote and what I meant.
Anything with **nazi is also acceptable.
And the equivalent of "in MN people say LTB when the man forgets to take the rubbish out".

They're all very intelligent and make such reasonable and thought out points.

Well done for reaching that conclusion about what I wrote. Very clever indeed.

This thread is so typically Mumsnet, the level of hysteria that's on here is laughable.

"covid police" : great, just lovely :(. Serious desire for 'revenge' against the virus by hurting individuals. I marvel at what we've become. :(

No swimming pools where I live are opening to children. Not one.

What's the thinking behind that, @themental? If a pool can be made safe for oldies, I can't see why it can't be open for children.

Our pools aren't open to anyone yet, neither are those in neighbouring local authorities. One council's website says they're planning to open on 1 September, but ours is silent on the point.

I'm mystified as to how private pools have managed to sort themselves out, but the council ones, which are run by a private company, seem to be unable to get it together.

Heidi1976 Spanish daily cases are higher than the UK and have tripled in less than a fortnight. They are rising fast.

Turkey and the Dominican Republic are now also spiralling upwards. As are Romanian cases. The information is all on the Worldometer and unfortunately it is scary.

Just because OP won’t have cause to see him for weeks what about anyone he bumps into someone in a supermarket, a neighbour etc who has an undiagnosed health condition themselves or who lives with a vulnerable mum, dad, brother, sister, child, elderly relative etc. Do they not matter.

So many people agreeing that dying of the virus is better than keeping the regulations.

Have you seen what death from Covid is like? And you are wishing that on yourselves?

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

As for the Stasi nonsense, I'm sure Godwin's law should apply to such idiocy.,

Report. But who to? I know someone there too she said shes not isolating as she has to feed her kids so has to go shopping.

@MaxNormal

I'd like to think, if I'm being charitable, that a lot of this reaction is because people feel like all control was been wrested from them. That's certainly how I feel, and I did find myself initially responding by becoming furiously angry when I saw neighbours having guests around or when people didn't stay two metres from me when I was out walking.

I soon realised that these feelings were changing nothing and making me even more stressed and miserable. So I stopped worrying about what other people were up to and it was such a relief. Just detaching and saying fuck it, not my problem.

It's not at all the same as someone specifically and deliberately commiting a crime or an act of cruelty. This virus is no-one's fault, and we've been asked to massively against our own social mores and human nature, and to damage our own livelihoods.

There's also the feeling that whatever we do will not be good enough for some people. Go on holiday to Spain, legally and not against FCO advice? Wear a mask but complain about it? Not wear a mask because you suffer from agonising trigeminal neuralgia, or were the victim of a violent sexual assault? All of these scenarious have been presented on MN in recent days and have been met by aggression and hostility by some posters.

It's polarising, it's nasty, just for god's sake worry about yourself and do what you need to do to keep yourself safe and stop being so judgemental to the world around you.

Excellent post

Good to know that there are so many selfish people are there on this forum. Just one question, please. If this person returning from Spain was working with your son or daughter who is immunocompromised or immunosuppressed, would your attitude still be the same? If yes, then I have no issues.

I’d definitely report him. People like him could cause your mother to be ill.

As for the Stasi nonsense

Can you think of a better analogy for the current eagerness to spy on and “report” your fellow citizens? It’s not very nonsensical from where I’m standing.

@OssomMummy1 has it spot on.

Wow 46% of the people so far say OP is being unreasonable?! How utterly irresponsible.
We all have a responsibility to keep our country’s CV19 numbers down so we can get on with our lives and get the children’s back to school in September.
We are in a middle of a pandemic. I have little sympathy for anyone caught in this. I do however, blame the gov for encouraging people to go abroad in the first place.
We can not afford any risk for the sake of few days in the sun. It is not worth it.

And there are many people of all ages that are high risk because of existing conditions - so we should just shut them all away as well should we?

There are more people who are not high risk than they are high risk. Therefore, the sensible approach is to restrict & protect those at risk. From the outset we have instead fucked over kids and young people, when actually instead of closing schools and universities and workplaces, we should have been focusing on seriously protecting care homes etc

Heidi1976 Spanish daily cases are higher than the UK and have tripled in less than a fortnight. They are rising fast.

Not everywhere. Areas of Spain where cases have been rising are now under stricter measures.

I would expect that the time for country wide lockdowns was over, but it still applies to international travel, it seems.

We can not afford any risk for the sake of few days in the sun. It is not worth it.

as our rates are really bad, we should therefore close all parks/beaches/and any shops/gym/hairdresser - basically any non-essential AGAIN?

No? Then might as well go on holiday .

@Alsohuman

As for the Stasi nonsense

Can you think of a better analogy for the current eagerness to spy on and “report” your fellow citizens? It’s not very nonsensical from where I’m standing.

It’s not spying if someone tells you they’re going to do something.

Also no one is being killed as a result of the reporting.

I've no idea who one would report such things to? Do you ring 999? And what on earth do you say - that a random person that your partner knows has said - just said mind, nothing else - that he / she doesn't want to isolate when returning from Spain. I don't understand what can be gained from this, other than making the reporter feel all smug. I'm not disagreeing with the self isolation but it's the sense of self righteous curtain-twitching and reporting that's a bit yucky.

@icecreamandcandyfloss
Absolute rubbish if they can afford a holiday abroad they can afford to quarantine. Lots of people book a year ahead and went to Spain in good faith.
Doesn't mean two parents can afford two weeks each of unpaid leave.

Yes I would contact his employers possibly if you know he is going to work and could infect others. I would call my local police station and ask for advice. It is not okay to take the risk of going on holiday in the middle of a pandemic where the infection rate is over two thousand in one day and think that the quarantine does not apply to you! He will be putting everyone around him at risk potentially, and should be following the guidance.

This is not about being a 'snitch', we are not in the playground anymore. This is about being a responsible civilian and looking out for those that could die because no one wanted to say anything. You have a moral duty to the vulnerable in my view.

If we all broke the rules and ignored them, then we would have seen the death rate in the hundreds of thousands.

Report him, and do not feel bad at all. If he really cared about others he would have done the right thing, you owe him nothing.

OP I think you should definitely report them to the police. You appear to care about the fact that blatant disregard of the rules surrounding Covid puts other people’s lives at risk.

I think it is appalling, though not unexpected, that so many posters on this thread don’t give a shit about sticking to the rules regarding this Virus. This disregard will, in all probability, lead to a second wave of Covid, where many more people will die. Obviously, to them, this is far less important than people enjoying their holiday abroad.

Many people have criticised the government for not implementing Lockdown earlier. The government obviously knew the British public well and were aware that the mentality and selfishness of many people in this country is that they only care about themselves. A large proportion of people in this country could not be trusted to maintain Lockdown for any more than a short period of time, therefore meaning that there was a very short window of time where this Lockdown could be at its most effective.

I just wish that people, like those on this thread who have more or less told you to mind your own business, we’re the ones who caught Covid-19. That would be justice!

You sound jealous.

What are you going to do, phone 101? Grow up

1984, Stazi, KGB - alive and kicking! 😔

What's the thinking behind that, @themental? If a pool can be made safe for oldies, I can't see why it can't be open for children.*

It's still this ridicule of expecting children to social distance. Young children cannot social distance, so it basically means children must be confined indoors away from anyone not in their immediate family when weather is bad. It is fucking ridiculous and is going to developmentally damage an entire generation of toddlers this winter.