To report someone returning from Spain

[Archie1989]

A friend of my partner has said he has no intention of isolating on his return from Spain. Should I anonymously report them? My mum was on the shielding list and it’s making me quite angry. People who went abroad would know the risks during all of this....and then to refuse to isolate shows such arrogance and disregard for others.

I don’t know this person well and I don’t want to make my partner feel stuck in the middle.

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss

Fudge, if they can afford a holiday abroad they can afford to quarantine. Money doesnt over rice the health and safety of others.

What a ridiculous comment! People budget for an annual holiday; not to lose two weeks pay when they come home.

[quote MaxNormal]@luckylavender dying of the virus looks quite tempting right now compared to living in this gleefully vindictive, sanctimonious society. Idiot yourself.[/quote]
Sits next to @MaxNormal

Socially distanced and all, but abso-fucking-hell-yeah-lutely to this!

@wanderings

What will all the grasses and wannabe Stasi do when the pandemic is over?

Bingo card on this thread: tick tick tick.

They'll go back to logging Dave in number 37 painting his fence aggressively with 101.

Absolutely you should report them. If they’re going to break the law they should expect to face the consequences.

@Lweji

I can speak about Portugal. The risk for tourists doing tourist activities is minimal.

Most cases have been in outbreaks among working people in factories or similar, and families. Or people using crowded public transport.

Hotels and restaurants, as well as museums and beaches, have strict regulations and workers have been wearing masks for weeks now and working in mirror teams.
Restaurants have limited occupancy, or much bigger outdoor areas.

In that sense, tourists in countries like Portugal and Spain, despite some high transmission areas, are probably safer or just as safe as being in the UK and going to the shops.

The UK quarantine rules for travellers seem more like a token measure than anything.

If OH would fly, he is anti getting a plane just now, we would be back in Portugal in a heart beat. People forget the UK has the worst rates per million death wise in the world. If I was spanish you would not get me travelling to the UK.

I get where you’re coming from.
We’ve got some family members (not close) who have gone to Spain for a couple of weeks jolly holiday.
They’ve laughed off any notion of self isolating on return and it annoys me.

But who would you report them to and what would be gained? With the people I know it wouldn’t make them change their behaviour at all.

I think you should stop being such a busybody

I'll take a seat next to MaxNormal and MzHz.
I'll not even bothered about the social distancing. I'm tired of being treated like a biohazard.

@HeckyPeck

your attitude to thy neighbour is no more helpful to society as a whole then those you are accusing of breaking "the rules"

and dont get it twisted - I dont think someone refusing to quarantine when getting back from Spain is on par with your other examples. like I said illogical.

@Lweji

alsohuman Wow, a whole five pages before “brigade” was mentioned. The entire country seems to be formed of various brigades now.

It's very rare that I agree with you, IIRC. But this is SO true.

As soon as I read brigade, I lose all respect for the poster.

Is that as opposed to the people using "Stasi" then? Theyre obviously far more intelligent right?

I would report them.

They are being selfish and putting many other people's health at risk. Protect the many not one selfish, self centred idiot.

@DeepestDarkestSins

I'll take a seat next to MaxNormal and MzHz. I'll not even bothered about the social distancing. I'm tired of being treated like a biohazard.

Budge up.

No, myob

I'd like to think, if I'm being charitable, that a lot of this reaction is because people feel like all control was been wrested from them. That's certainly how I feel, and I did find myself initially responding by becoming furiously angry when I saw neighbours having guests around or when people didn't stay two metres from me when I was out walking.

I soon realised that these feelings were changing nothing and making me even more stressed and miserable. So I stopped worrying about what other people were up to and it was such a relief. Just detaching and saying fuck it, not my problem.

It's not at all the same as someone specifically and deliberately commiting a crime or an act of cruelty. This virus is no-one's fault, and we've been asked to massively against our own social mores and human nature, and to damage our own livelihoods.

There's also the feeling that whatever we do will not be good enough for some people. Go on holiday to Spain, legally and not against FCO advice? Wear a mask but complain about it? Not wear a mask because you suffer from agonising trigeminal neuralgia, or were the victim of a violent sexual assault? All of these scenarious have been presented on MN in recent days and have been met by aggression and hostility by some posters.

It's polarising, it's nasty, just for god's sake worry about yourself and do what you need to do to keep yourself safe and stop being so judgemental to the world around you.

Where I live (not UK) we have a 14 day full isolation period if coming from anywhere, other than 1 other Jurisdiction which we have an air bridge with, and the police are being very vigilant about monitoring compliance with this.

4 people have been fined around 6k each so far for breaking their isolation early. One was out of their property a matter of hours before their isolation was due to end and still ended up in court with hefty fine.

it is certainly being taken seriously over here!

Report it to who exactly. Who do you think is enforcing this rule. The same non existent entity that is enforcing the wearing of masks. The police certainly are enforcing it, they don’t have the time or capacity to enforce it.

He hasn't done it yet though has he? I don't think you should report an intention. He may well change his mind when he's back.

@MaxNormal your most recent comment should be the only one on here - pretty much sums it up.

Saying you will do something and doing it are 2 different things .
Otherwise I'd be up for a murder charge the amount of times I've said I'm going to kill someone.
See if they do isolate then decide to report or not if they ignore .

@FumingAboutABook

Where I live (not UK) we have a 14 day full isolation period if coming from anywhere, other than 1 other Jurisdiction which we have an air bridge with, and the police are being very vigilant about monitoring compliance with this.

4 people have been fined around 6k each so far for breaking their isolation early. One was out of their property a matter of hours before their isolation was due to end and still ended up in court with hefty fine.

it is certainly being taken seriously over here!

Who enforces it our police force here is spread too thin to do so, we would need help from the army at the very least.

I'm pretty sure the daily infection rate is higher here than in Spain anyway.....

I actually feel like I’m living in a dystopian nightmare.

I'm actually feeling like how Sheldon does. 'imagine you are the only human, living on a planet with nothing but dogs'.

We've got people insisting that the masks provide protection against covid, even though the material is generally flimsy on the ones people are buying and provide little to no protection, as seen by the rising numbers. Then you've got people not even covering their noses because they don't want to starve their brain of oxygen (too little too late). On top of that, people still can't wash their hands properly or at all because it's apparently complicated to use soap and water. And in all of that, we've still got people thinking mmr vaccines are evil, that covid doesn't exist, that aliens are coming to get us, and there's even one group who think trump has all of the gold from the Vatican and will pay off all debt in America.

It's not dystopian. This is idiocracy coming to life.

For goodness sakes, don't report the man. You don't have to see him for a fortnight surely and your mum certainly doesn't.

If your partner has to see, ie works with him, presumably everyone at work is keeping distance and wearing masks anyway.

No grassing though, that is bad.

The guy is an idiot telling people he doesn't intend to quarantine.

Personally I would not report someone. Go to Blackburn with an incidence of just under 80,000 last week, all OK. Majorca less than 20,000 and there are huge numbers of MNs rushing to report people. Utter madness. As for the blanket banning of all Spain, its like banning the UK because of spikes in Leicester etc.

As for the virus, it's here now and all we can do is control local outbreaks and learn to live with it. If we were going to control it with a lockdown we would have done so by now. The long term consequences will be far higher than the number of covid deaths IMO, missed cancer diagnoses, mental health problems, poverty, chronic I'll health related to poverty etc

We need a more nuanced approach with less people claiming its the rules, so it's OK.

[quote strawberrypip]@HeckyPeck

your attitude to thy neighbour is no more helpful to society as a whole then those you are accusing of breaking "the rules"

and dont get it twisted - I dont think someone refusing to quarantine when getting back from Spain is on par with your other examples. like I said illogical.[/quote]
Sorry are you saying reporting abuse is no more helpful to society than people ignoring quarantine rules? That doesn’t make any sense.

Should people not report safeguarding concerns then if you don’t think it’s helpful?

I just find that view so bizarre.

Would I report someone who came back, worked from home but I saw went shopping? No

Would I report someone who came back and was going straight to work in a care home or with other vulnerable people and said they wouldn’t tell their employer? Yes. Because the employer would need to have the information to make informed risk assessments for their residents. I think we all have a responsibility to help protect the vulnerable in our society.

I disagree re the other examples. Stealing a bike won’t put anyone’s life at risk. Nor would kicking a puppy.