To report someone returning from Spain

[Archie1989]

A friend of my partner has said he has no intention of isolating on his return from Spain. Should I anonymously report them? My mum was on the shielding list and it’s making me quite angry. People who went abroad would know the risks during all of this....and then to refuse to isolate shows such arrogance and disregard for others.

I don’t know this person well and I don’t want to make my partner feel stuck in the middle.

After lockdown is over, the wannabe Stasi just need something else to turn people in over - masks, supposed holidays in Spain.

100% agree with MaxNormal.

@Alsohuman

As for the Stasi nonsense

Can you think of a better analogy for the current eagerness to spy on and “report” your fellow citizens? It’s not very nonsensical from where I’m standing.

You obviously have no understanding of the Stasi and what happened to people in East Germany who broke the rules.

If you do know how the Stasi operated then you are very foolish to draw the comparison you did. Godwin's Law should apply to such stupidity.

I voted YABU because reporting an intention is silly and a waste of time.

By all means, report him if he comes back straight from Catalonia and you see him out and about near people, or having a house party.

Well if they work outside the home and use childcare hopefully their employers will do your job for you. None of my staff will be allowed back to work (office/field based) after visiting Spain, neither will they be paid for 2 weeks. Unfortunate but I don't make the rules, just follow them.

If you check your local police force's website they will probably have an online form (ours does) where you can report any violation of Corona related laws. However, they don't, in my experience, do anything with that info, so why bother?

I would without hesitation OP.

If more people had follows the guidelines we would be much dither down the line in controlling this virus.

I'm sick of some people's lives being turned upside down or ruined, vulnerable people isolating, young people missing their education because too many people have ignored guidelines and just done what suits them.

People have died alone, lost jobs, not visited relatives in card homes, had breakdowns, cancelled weddings, missed seeing newborns, relied on neighbours and food banks, been unable to hold or attend funerals, the list of horrendous sacrifices goes on. Why the hell should do among other people carry on doing what suits them because they would find following the guidelines / rules too hard.

They should quarantine even if it's hard- I don't care anymore if they have to live on bread and water for 14 days. Many people have had to deal with worse.

You obviously have no understanding of the Stasi and what happened to people in East Germany who broke the rules

I think I do. Sorry to disappoint you. I won’t impugn your intelligence, tempting though it is.

There is no logic to any of this.

You could just as easily be on holiday in the UK and that area has a spike and gets lockdown.

Either people should have travelled in good faith and according to the rules or they shouldn't be able to travel, which is the case now.

I wouldn't go now, but I would have gone if I had a holiday booked departing after the relaxation of the rules.

I would also self-isolate, but in my position, that is easy to say.

For others, who have had the goalposts moved whilst away and who might be miles from the areas in Spain most affected, it might be a more difficult decision.

If it is too soon then impose a blanket travel ban so that people know where they are.

I think those saying they knew the risks are missing the point that the powers that be actively wanted the travel industry opened up again and encouraged people to buy holidays or go on those already booked.

They can't have it all ways.

@Puppybum

Everyone loves a snitch

Everyone loves people who put other people's lives at risk because they can't be arsed to follow the rules. The epidemic in the UK was seeded by people arriving from Europe, predominantly France and Spain. We can't allow the same thing to happen again.

You could just as easily be on holiday in the UK and that area has a spike and gets lockdown

I would expect anyone that has been advised to self isolate if they were advised to do so, regardless of where they have been.

If the UK starts issuing guidance around local lockdowns I will be following it, as I do not want many tens of thousands of people to die.

I seriously do not understand your logic.

UK - 764 approx daily infection rate
Spain - in excess of 2000 daily infection rate

Clearly this is a big difference between the two, and we have to respond to that.
If we end up with a deadly second wave that kills another 50, 000 people in the UK it won't be difficult to see why, because people simply can not seem to grasp the basics!

*there

The epidemic in the UK was seeded by people arriving from Europe, predominantly France and Spain. We can't allow the same thing to happen again.

So was Black Plague. Illness is often spread by people. Let's ban people! Great idea.

@redbushtea

Mind your own business. People like you will makes us all slaves of the state. Whatever happened to individual freedom and liberty.

Whatever happened to individual freedom and liberty.

Your freedom to swing your fist ends where my nose begins.

MYOB!!

All this use of the word 'snitch' reminds me of kids in a playground- bullies trying to stop kids telling on them for their horrid behaviour.

Reporting someone breaking the rules and risking the lives of others isn't snitching, it's acting responsibly when others grace decided not to.

@Alsohuman

You obviously have no understanding of the Stasi and what happened to people in East Germany who broke the rules

I think I do. Sorry to disappoint you. I won’t impugn your intelligence, tempting though it is.

Then how can you justify your stance?

Not a very intelligent one, is it?

Funny how everyone on is going on about the "rules" and about other people's safety but in every mask thread you get shouted down for saying its a good thing for masks to be mandatory and apart from a legitimate medical exemption, everyone should wear one in shops. Where is all the outcry for the safety of others when it comes to wearing a mask?

I wonder what the 2021 threads will look like, after people don't have Covid to bitch about and after no-deal Brexit, when non-EU British people need a visa to leave their country for oh, pretty much anywhere and the price of lodging shoots through the roof as there's a captive audience and the value of our currency is in the toilet and more and more are on UC. 'I'm reporting my neighbour for setting up a campsite in his garden.' 'My neighbour hasn't done his 35 hours job search, I'm turning her in'. 'My colleague admitted he has over 3 tins of Spam, I'm reporting'.

@GreytExpectations

Funny how everyone on is going on about the "rules" and about other people's safety but in every mask thread you get shouted down for saying its a good thing for masks to be mandatory and apart from a legitimate medical exemption, everyone should wear one in shops. Where is all the outcry for the safety of others when it comes to wearing a mask?

You missed the thread from the rape victim who needed to go to A&E due to broken bones in her hand. She was raked over the coals for not wearing a mask due to her PTSD, a legitimate medical exemption.

@CuntryRhodesTakeMeHome

Covid has been an awful situation, but what's been the absolute shitty cherry on a pissy cake has been the self-appointed Covid Police bustling to the fore, with their pious monitoring of who has and hasn't stayed in/worn a mask/complied with their interpretation of The Rules

I wish I had written this.

This. Society eating its self.

Reporting someone breaking the rules and risking the lives of others isn't snitching

He isn't, though. Not yet.
Right now, the OP has nothing to report him for.

What if they’d gone to Leicester on holiday and got caught in lockdown ? Plenty of people going on holiday in UK and could get caught out in same way.

Spain is trying to persuade the U.K. to reverse the quarantine, particularly for the islands:

Armengol, and the Minister of Tourism, Reyes Maroto, have confirmed that Spain is working "in an accelerated way" to eliminate "as soon as possible, better today than tomorrow", the British quarantine. The main argument of both executives, in front of the British authorities, is the health situation of the Islands, notably better than in other territories of the Peninsula, including the United Kingdom. Thus, Armengol has detailed that the best data is in the number of cases registered in the last 14 days per 100,000 inhabitants.

In detail, the cumulative incidence in Spain in the last two weeks is 37 cases per 100,000 inhabitants; The Balearic Islands have 8 cases per 100,000; Canary Islands, up to 5.8, and the United Kingdom, 14.5 cases. "I do not see the reason why a British tourist cannot come to the Balearic Islands, I would say in greater security than at home."
With these data, Armengol hopes to get the UK to reverse its decision, as far as the Islands are concerned. "There we will be fighting so that the Balearic Islands can continue to guarantee safe tourism. We will continue promoting contact tracking and entry and exit controls for the Islands. We have demonstrated the ability and rigor to do things well. "

From below (translation from Soller Web on fb):

www.ultimahora.es/noticias/local/2020/07/27/1184093/turismo-baleares-armengol-como-vaya-este-verano-ira-nuestro-invierno.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=web&fbclid=IwAR3W_cJlJg0rmgF5GI6vSMePUOryv6VXmYC4t5vg3-1VABdHjVExekAFgAU

So all you lot who are up for reporting and banging your moral drum, I guess you have done and will continue to live a life beyond reproach until you draw your last breath.

@WickedGoodDoge

That's my point exactly. Those claiming it's to saves lives have no idea of risk. Returning from a holiday from Blackburn, Catalonia and Majorca carry very different health risks but one perhaps should be in local lockdown, one where numbers are worrying and one is unfortunate to be part of a country that has a high incidence of covid, no where near it.