To report someone returning from Spain

[Archie1989]

A friend of my partner has said he has no intention of isolating on his return from Spain. Should I anonymously report them? My mum was on the shielding list and it’s making me quite angry. People who went abroad would know the risks during all of this....and then to refuse to isolate shows such arrogance and disregard for others.

I don’t know this person well and I don’t want to make my partner feel stuck in the middle.

Am endlessly fascinated by the desire some posters have to rat on friends/family/strangers!

Though I understand your anger OP, ppl here don't really give a shit about each other, look at the whole mask wearing bullshit that is on several threads.

It's not very clear who you would go tell on them to though OP - and I doubt the police in this country would have the capacity to follow it up? Hard though. The Government shouldn't make these rules unless they can enforce them.

they are now... see how well it's working out!

It's hard to revitalise an economy that's been wrecked by four months of shut down.

Mind your own business. If they've not been to one of the high risk areas then I think they are just using their common sense that they are no more a risk than anyone coming back from another country which hasn't been seemingly randomly selected for isolation on return.

I'm going to the Canaries at the end of August and if the rule is still in place I won't be isolating on my return. It makes no sense whatsoever.

[quote LakieLady]@Thislittlelady, on R4 earlier today, someone was saying that they would be spot-checking approx 20% of people returning from Spain.

And the penalty is £1,000 fixed penalty fine.

I'm not sure I'd gamble £1,000 at those odds.[/quote]
If it’s a £1000 fine the best way to ensure compliance would be to offer a good percentage of it as a reward to those who report breaches in quarantine.

Sad though that people can’t just comply without having to introduce fines etc.

OP not sure who you would report them to but yadnbu too many people are behaving like they are more important than others. ‘I’m alright Jack’ attitude.

Simon Calder was encouraging people coming home from Spain to come home and then book a second trip to France to avoid quarantining at home. It beggars belief.

DD 15 hadn’t been out during proper lock down, yet girls from her school were posing for photos (not socially distant) and bragging about having sleepovers during lockdown.

@redbushtea - what happened was a global pandemic so we have to act collectively & stop being so difficult.

Snitching is absolutely shameful.

[quote LakieLady]@Thislittlelady, on R4 earlier today, someone was saying that they would be spot-checking approx 20% of people returning from Spain.

And the penalty is £1,000 fixed penalty fine.

I'm not sure I'd gamble £1,000 at those odds.[/quote]
If someone has effectively put a system in place to actually carry this out I'd be stunned.

I look forward to hearing how many fines are collected.

I actually feel like I’m living in a dystopian nightmare

It could be worse. They could be tagging and tracking people on arrival.

@luckylavender where exactly do you think the virus will be going?

It's endemic now - we get a vaccine, or good enough treatments that it's no longer considered such a danger, or we just live with it. The lockdown and social distancing measures were put in place so that the NHS didn't get overwhelmed, not to stop every single last one of us getting infected.

So whether a few people go to Spain on holiday or go to the pub is utterly irrelevant as to when we get our lives back.

And believe me, I'd like normality back. We've had no income since March and won't for the foreseeable future. But this general vibe of sanctimonious hostility is making an already awful time even shitter.

Bizarre that so many people are against reporting people.

I suppose if you see someone stealing a bike you won’t say anything for fear of being a snitch. Or someone kicking a puppy, breaking into a shed, trashing a graveyard, stealing from someone they act as a carer for.

None of the those carry a risk to life, but I’d hope most people would say something. It seems to only be Covid that people are against snitching about. Even though that has killed thousands of people.

Weird.

This is how regional it is. If they've only been in Southern Spain, I can see their point. I don't know why the govt has made a blanket decision about all of Spain. The main holiday destinations on the coast are no worse (and possibly better) than here.

If in the brown bit, well I'd be tempted to tell your partner to point out the risk they're taking with other people's lives.

[quote Archie1989]@MaxNormal they went abroad in good faith? No! They went abroad knowing that there was a pandemic and that a second wave was feasible. They went abroad on holiday knowing that flights could be cancelled and that quarantine was a possibility[/quote]
What a load of bullshit!

No swimming pools where I live are opening to children. Not one. So high risk pensioners can go and swim in peace but children can't. Its utterly batshit and as a friend said to me, shows it's all about the money. Older people have more of it to spend so they are being prioritised.

Quite! All of my over-65 relatives are back at the bingo / pub with their friends while my kids haven't been in school since the beginning of March.

They are all at various stages of higher risk and not one of them gives a fuck about Coronavirus.

Yet young and healthy people who have minuscule risk are somehow responsible

I feel like I'm genuinely living in a dystopian universe sometimes.

All the 'stasi' comments are spot on.

People snitching on neighbours are genuinely rotten. If you are SO concerned stay in your house.

So that means we have to follow rules designed to protect us.

Some still really don't get it at all.

Which bit of Spain did they go to? Many parts of Spain (inc. the Balearic and Canary Islands) have very low rates.

@GoddamnGodBless

Snitching is absolutely shameful.

I suppose I should be ashamed of when I snitched about a carer stealing from the neighbour.

I obviously should have minded my own business,

Same goes for all the police informants I suppose. Who are cares that information they provide can save lives and put criminals behind bars. They should just mind their own businesses according to some on here 🙄

@anon5000

The COVID police should have a special line for all the MN reporters.

Quite.

The Covid Police HQ inhabits the one Circle of Hell which Dante didn't mention.

[quote MaxNormal]@luckylavender where exactly do you think the virus will be going?

It's endemic now - we get a vaccine, or good enough treatments that it's no longer considered such a danger, or we just live with it. The lockdown and social distancing measures were put in place so that the NHS didn't get overwhelmed, not to stop every single last one of us getting infected.

So whether a few people go to Spain on holiday or go to the pub is utterly irrelevant as to when we get our lives back.

And believe me, I'd like normality back. We've had no income since March and won't for the foreseeable future. But this general vibe of sanctimonious hostility is making an already awful time even shitter.[/quote]
Completely concur with the final paragraph. I am in the same situation re income.

I have enough to worry with that. I don't need to start badgering other people and getting myself worked up.

We cancelled our summer holiday because of the pandemic. We’d been looking forward to it as our first holiday in 5 years but it’s obvious that it’s potentially risky to travel abroad at the moment.

I think those people that decided to go anyway have to accept the consequences of that decision and to quarantine when they get home.

If they don’t, they’re selfish bastards who are all about ‘their rights’ and not about ‘their responsibilities to others’.

Report yes, yes, yes.
Call 101.
This is about all our safety.
www.gov.uk/contact-police

I bet a lot of the "don't snitch" brigade that appear to have arrived en masse would happily snitch about other things though. Which makes them hypocrites at the least ...

I suspect we are getting an environment that encourages snitching because our government has but in quarantine rules without enforcement. Various countries would put you in official accommodation. I know someone who went back to Poland a few months ago now - they were allowed in their house but would be contacted at a random time each day and had to provide a photo showing themselves and their location. If their phone was off or they ignored the message or slept through it, it would be followed up. Of course there are privacy issues around some of the methods being used elsewhere but you can see how our wishy washy approach had led to resentment and curtain twitching.

What are you going to do, phone the police?

Huge numbers of people are exempt from quarantine rules anyway.

The list is similar to the very broadly defined ‘Key Workers’ who were still able to send their DC to school.