To report someone returning from Spain

[Archie1989]

A friend of my partner has said he has no intention of isolating on his return from Spain. Should I anonymously report them? My mum was on the shielding list and it’s making me quite angry. People who went abroad would know the risks during all of this....and then to refuse to isolate shows such arrogance and disregard for others.

I don’t know this person well and I don’t want to make my partner feel stuck in the middle.

Do you really think that everyone will isolate on return? Leave to their conscience.

@Boshmama

Yabu

People have to take responsibility for their own actions as adults.

I find it incredibly worrying how quickly people have turned against each other in this awful situation - there is so much 'telling tales' it reminds me of the worst situations in history where people turned against each other to follow the 'rules'.

Unfortunately leaving it up to people to take responsibility for their own actions can have an effect on everyone else. Someone arriving from a specified country and choosing not to isolate could potentially cause the serious illness or even death of someone else, even though not intentionally. We must all, every single one of us, do the right thing in order to help save lives.

@Pixxie7

Do you really think that everyone will isolate on return? Leave to their conscience.

This is MN land, magic chickens and weave your own lentils, of course, everyone will instantly isolate, multiple times if necessary, working from home with their 6 figure jobs and understanding teams and bosses, houses with nice gardens and plenty of space, loads of money to just order in anything they might need and virtue signal about it and shame everyone else on the internet.

They went abroad knowing there was a global pandemic and that advice on travel and quarantine could change while they were away. They chose to take that risk and quarantining for 2 weeks when they return is the consequence. Why should they put everyone else at risk who hasn’t jetted off for a holiday?
^ I 100% agree with this

Someone arriving from a specified country and choosing not to isolate could potentially cause the serious illness or even death of someone else, even though not intentionally.
We must all, every single one of us, do the right thing in order to help save lives.

So can people moving around from hotspots in the UK like Leicester. Or who go to pubs and restaurants in hotspots in the UK. What do you suggest 'we' all 'must' do then? Because every one of these measures, the lockdowns, the restrictions were to avoid overwhelming the healthcare system; not to eradicate the virus. The schools in Scotland are going back on 11 August, that's in 3 weeks.

This whole lock yourself up for 14 days every time you have been anywhere near anyone who potentially has this is ridiculous and unworkable and unenforceable and yet more pointless posturing from the government to be seen as proactive, divert focus from the fact they are walking us into the utter shitstorm that is no-deal Brexit and stir up yet more ire among the hoi polloi with policies like this because despite this new edict, you can use whatever means you'd like to travel home from your destination, whoever else lives with you in your house doesn't have to quarantine if he/she/they haven't been travelling and some workers such as medics are exempt.

But it gives those who are feeling out of control something to spit nails at their neighbour about now they can't turn their neighbour in for seeing their grandkids.

Are there any numbers on gov.co.uk on Covid crisis where you can report them if not contact the police. I am worried some selfish people will do this and infect others. Boris should just ban travel for rest of this year and focus on getting rid of it before winter comes.

[quote Thisfucker]@Lweji
Portugal, for example, opened a bit too soon and hasn't got numbers down enough, but they have been stable
This is completely untrue. Portugal reopened bars and restaurants on 18th May. Wearing a mask has been mandatory from that date.
The border with Spain wasn't opened until July 1st. There's been very particular spikes in particular areas and both were immediately locked down again.
The Portuguese authorities know exactly where these spikes happened and who has caused the spikes. They also have a very comprehensive track and trace system.
Stop peddling lies.[/quote]
Are you saying that Portugal didn't start to end lockdown too soon and that numbers haven't been too high for comfort, despite being fairly stable?
Are you saying that even the health authorities aren't at a loss about what to do in the Lisbon area to keep numbers down?

I wasn't talking about opening borders with Spain, but lockdown.
We haven't been particularly bothered about Spain. We might soon, as some regions where numbers are rising have borders with Portugal. But I doubt all borders will close.

Nothing I said is a lie.

In case you haven't noticed, the UK requires quarantine from travellers from Portugal, and has required it before it did from Spain. Because our numbers aren't sufficiently down.

Why can't they just take a test like they would if they had been exposed to it in this country? I don't really understand why there's a need for a 14 day quarantine for people who've been abroad, but not for people who have been in contact with a confirmed case?

I'm in a country where all people returning have to quarantine for 14 days. They are tested when they arrive, and again near the end of the quarantine, and sometimes the first test is negative and the second positive.

I am not sure why people are struggling to understand that Spain have DOUBLE the infection rate of the UK! It is NOT safer to go to Spain than to stay in the UK, that is a complete lie.

I don't know why people can not simply read the facts.

'Its rate of cases per 100,000 people is currently at 39.4, according to the European Union's European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC). This compares with the UK's rate of 14.6.

The only two countries that are higher in Europe are Sweden and Portugal.

The virus can no longer be contaoined in Spain, as the infection rate has pushed the R rate up and it is now multiplying at speed. As sad as it is that we can not holiday there, it really is much safer to stay at home.

Reading this thread and some of the posts you can really see just how limited the understanding of both the virus and the situation in Spain and Portugal. No wonder we are turning into a nanny state! We are seemingly incapable of reading the stats, much less making their own assessment of risk, what a joke.

Europe should shut its borders now, before things become even worse, at least that way they can salvage other sectors and industries outside of tourism, and avoid a complete lockdown again. It is as simple as that.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53544586

@madbirdlady22 not in the islands, that's not the case. What. An people not understand about it being localised...... like Leicester!!!

@madbirdlady22 the national rate is meaningless if you've been staying in a part of the country with an extremely low rate, maybe 500 miles from the hot spot which has driven up the rate.

I posted a map further up the thread which shows what a small proportion of Spain is affected by this spike. I am at more risk in my part of the UK than I would be in 80% of Spain.

I agree with you @Archie1989 that it's infuriating people are acting without due regard to the seriousness of the pandemic.

But for wanting to report them...that's straight up snitching in my book.

@GinDaddyRedux what is your obsession with “snitching

@Mydogisthebestest

How is the term I used not appropriate here?

@caringcarer

Are there any numbers on gov.co.uk on Covid crisis where you can report them if not contact the police. I am worried some selfish people will do this and infect others. Boris should just ban travel for rest of this year and focus on getting rid of it before winter comes.

Om gosh everything this poster said 👏🏻

You just use it all the time and I wondered why. Which you haven’t answered.

I’ve stuck to the rules. I’ve done exactly what I was supposed to and abided 100% by lockdown.

The law says you have to quarantine.

Why shouldn’t I report someone for breaking that if they do (albeit I am not convinced that the person referred to in the op is actually going to break the rules since they haven’t actually done it yet)?

If they are in work I would let their employer know so they can safeguard their other employees and anyone else they might come into contact with.
This. Except that they probably won't go to work as very likely the employer and colleagues will know they went to Spain -there would have no reason to keep it secret before they went and is normal to talk to colleagues about holiday plans.
More likely they intend to socialise:go to pubs etc.
OP if you find out where to report it to and the outcome that would be very interesting! Please do update!😀

Someone arriving from a specified country and choosing not to isolate could potentially cause the serious illness or even death of someone else, even though not intentionally.
We must all, every single one of us, do the right thing in order to help save lives.

Whatever one’s view of the rules- their utility, sense and proportionality- it is very clearer that the rules do not include reporting your partner’s friends because you heard they might not follow them. The public have never been asked or encouraged to do that, in fact at one point the police were dealing with so many reports they asked people to please exercise some constraint

I think there’s a bit of a difference between someone running off at the mouth and saying I’ll not do xyz and what they will actually do when it comes down to it.

There's lies, more lies and then statistics.

The parts of Spain that have a high transmission rate and high infected numbers have been or are being put under special measures or lockdown. In the rest, it's business as usual.

It will be the same in the UK. Specific areas where numbers rise will be dealt with, while the rest will continue as they were.
The alternative is national lockdown again.

I hope you can understand this about the UK, and therefore about Spain too.

And Portugal, and even Sweden.

@Madbirdlady22

That BBC link doesn’t exactly support your view that Europe should shut all borders again.
That's simply madness at this stage.

lweji It simply does not work comparing the UK lockdown measures that put areas in special measures, such as Leicester, and applying the same to Spain and others. For the simple reason that all passengers regardless of where they have stayed all have to fly home together, mixing without social distance on planes, in transit buses and in airports. That is the problem.

It is the travelling that is the issue. You are only as safe as the person sitting near you, or the person that passed by two hours ago using the same handle etc. I am surprised you have not thought of this, given you claim to be qualified.

That is why we are putting whole countries on the list, and not hot spot areas. When tourists fly home, they could have been anywhere, mixing with anyone and quite frankly are a risk to themselves and others if they are coming from a place that has seen such a big increase in infection. Containing the virus in small clusters is going to be much more challenging than you making it sound.

And yes I think it is high time parts of Europe made some tough decisions, if they have any hope of saving other areas of their economies. I assume you are the same person that did not want us to lockdown in March, saying it is 'madness' at this stage. So exactly what stage WOULD you decide it is inenvitable?

I would argue the moment has even passed already.

We are seeing such a spike now in Spain, Sweden, Portugal, Belgium and others. Surely the cost of a total lockdown that will have to happen if they don't take action soon to the country's economy will far outweigh this year's meagre tourism for many of the affected countries. Not to mention the death rate coming down the line, and the very understandable anger the local people will feel that they have become human fodder serving the tourism industry.

I am afraid the only option now is to close borders and contain the virus whilst we still can, and have some chance of success. It is so far from ideal, but this little experiment is now over, the stats reflects that already and we haven't even reached August yet!

@lifeafter50 -firstly if you were being sarcastic in your post I’m sorry. If not - you sound so excited about the prospect of a snitch hotline and desperate for an update, complete with excited exclamation marks and smiley face. Don’t worry if you keep spying on people long enough I’m sure you’ll find someone you can turn in to the authorities yourself. Remember not to leave your name though so you can be a full on coward as well as nasty and interfering to boot.