To report someone returning from Spain

[Archie1989]

A friend of my partner has said he has no intention of isolating on his return from Spain. Should I anonymously report them? My mum was on the shielding list and it’s making me quite angry. People who went abroad would know the risks during all of this....and then to refuse to isolate shows such arrogance and disregard for others.

I don’t know this person well and I don’t want to make my partner feel stuck in the middle.

It's as if people think that all travellers from Spain have the virus.

I'm puzzled by this too.

Maybe I need to isolate after doing my weekly shop in Asda as I am just as likely to pick it up there 🤷‍♂️

I think YABU
If they knew before they went that they should quarantine when they got back then fair enough.
But there has been no notice for this rule change. I don’t think being able to afford a trip to Spain comes in to it to be honest. Lockdown has been fucking horrible for so many people and I don’t blame people for wanting a break away when they thought there would be no quarantine involved!
If they had symptoms then, again - fair enough.

Havent read full thread.. but regardless, definitely report.

@madbirdlady22

The idea we are doing Spain a favour by going is really quite insulting, they may prefer economically that they could reopen resorts as normal, but do the local people really want their villages and lives infested with covid again, I doubt that very much.

I imagine they’d quite like an economy left. It’s as much a balance in every country.

Maybe I need to isolate after doing my weekly shop in Asda as I am just as likely to pick it up there

Exactly. I said further up the thread, the rate of infection is higher in my part of England than it is in the vast majority of Spain. I would be mightily pissed off to have to quarantine for 14 days after spending my time in somewhere with half the incidence of home.

It's insane. The only people who should have been told to quarantine are those flying back from the north-east of Spain.

im not asking people to forfeit their livelihood. They made a decision to go somewhere knowing the risks. They made the decision to risk their livelihood by doing that

What about people who have travelled to Spain for work? I read about a carpenter on BBC news who had done just that...
I’m sure there will be others.

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/26/arrivals-spain-vent-anger-at-uk-quarantine-decision

[quote Archie1989]@MaxNormal they went abroad in good faith? No! They went abroad knowing that there was a pandemic and that a second wave was feasible. They went abroad on holiday knowing that flights could be cancelled and that quarantine was a possibility[/quote]
What 2nd wave would that be? In Spain its just isolated pockets where the cause is known.
The gov gave the green light it go.abroad.
Now they changed the goalposts.
Many companies knew what was coming but to save giving refunds they let people fly who were them already there when the goalposts changed.
Many holidays were booked months ago.and people were not going to get their money back because gov said it was ok.
Many people have worked solidly all year and deserve a break they already paid for.

People are just fallin over themselves to be better than anyone else in this shitstorm it's a pretty toxic society we live in just now.

All this “went in good faith” talk is bollocks.

Unless you had a holiday booked pre covid then anyone booking a holiday abroad during a global pandemic is an idiot. What happens if Spain closes their border in the next couple of weeks while people are still out there? Should the government (and therefore the taxpayer) be expected to pay to bring them home? Not a bloody chance.

If people are stupid enough to rush out on to the first flight they can get then more fool them.

The gov gave the green light it go.abroad. and people aren’t capable of using common sense? Do people actually want to live in the nanny state where they have to seek government approval and be hand-held through any decision they make?

The government said “travel abroad,” so people rushed out to travel abroad. Now the government are saying “don’t travel,” and people are annoyed? You can’t have it both ways. Either the government should have been listened to on both counts, or people should stop looking for someone else to blame and use their own bloody brains.

Anyone with half a brain knows that booking a holiday abroad during a global pandemic is a bloody stupid idea. I’m not referring to people who had pre-existing holidays booked, but ones who think that coming out of lockdown means it’s now a free for all to go anywhere.

Oh and, masks are compulsory in Spain, everywhere and even the children wear them. Will the Brits go over and wine about that as they do over here as well I wonder? Probably.

Seriously, treat everyone as a potential virus carrier.
And treat yourself as one too.

This. I am in more danger of getting covid from going to my local supermarket and being next to someone all the way round who hasnt left our town for weeks but sat in a pub all night getting drunk, with no mask on and forgetting to wash their hands, as anyone in the UK is now perfectly legally and able to do. I'd rather sit next to someone who I know has been to Spain and observed mask wearing during all travel and observed good hand washing.

We may have been able to control spread of this virus in the very early days by closing borders. We didn't and that ship has well and truly sailed.

We should prevent all international travel, all or nothing. Local lockdowns are pointless. Is anyone checking whether people leave Leicester?

Completing the quite long form and reading it as they go might be quite sobering and a bit of a wake up to the severity of complying or not.

It's not like it was before lockdown when flights came into the UK and people sleepwalked their way through immigration. The biometric kiosks are closed, you have to show the form to an actual official person. All that might actually change their care free attitude.

So OP - let me get this straight... a friend of your partner has made a comment that he has no intention of isolating on his return back from Spain and you want to report him.

Yet he’s not actually returned back from Spain yet or broken any rules - but yet you still want to report him for an ‘off the cuff’ comment he’s made, not to you directly but to your partner. And even though he hasn’t broken any rules yet because he’s not actually flown home or landed in the UK?

@Morsmordre

So OP - let me get this straight... a friend of your partner has made a comment that he has no intention of isolating on his return back from Spain and you want to report him.

Yet he’s not actually returned back from Spain yet or broken any rules - but yet you still want to report him for an ‘off the cuff’ comment he’s made, not to you directly but to your partner. And even though he hasn’t broken any rules yet because he’s not actually flown home or landed in the UK?

That’s what I’ve been saying.

Yabu

People have to take responsibility for their own actions as adults.

I find it incredibly worrying how quickly people have turned against each other in this awful situation - there is so much 'telling tales' it reminds me of the worst situations in history where people turned against each other to follow the 'rules'.

@Boshmama

Yabu

People have to take responsibility for their own actions as adults.

I find it incredibly worrying how quickly people have turned against each other in this awful situation - there is so much 'telling tales' it reminds me of the worst situations in history where people turned against each other to follow the 'rules'.

Great post - couldn't agree more!

I'm not sure what I'd do in your position, but YANBU to feel annoyed that this person has decided to flout the guidelines, which are there to protect people. Some people are just very selfish and think they're too special to follow the rules.

I have some symapthy for the tourists who've just had this measure imposed on them, and would understand people having a moan about it, but this pandemic is serious and we all need to do what we can to slow the spread.

I'm puzzled as to the timing of this quarantine measure, when there was no attempt to stop people flying to and from China, or France, in the early stages of the pandemic, when it might have helped slow/prevent the virus spreading. However, although the spike in cases is mainly in northern Spain, I understand why the govt applied the quarantine measure to travellers from any part of Spain, because there could be people from many different parts of Spain on a single flight. Also, it would be too easy for people to lie when it suits them, and claim "Oh, I didn't go to northern Spain, I was down in the south", just to avoid quarantine. The blanket ban seems a but OTT but makes it simpler to detect those flouting the guidelines.

No don't report them. To be honest, nothing will get done about it and it's pointless. You'd be wasting your time.

What would you like to happen to them?

Apologies if you've already answered this.

Just yesterday I was wondering what the curtain twitching neighbour watchers were doing for vicarious thrills these days. Now I know.

[quote Archie1989]@OnlyFoolsnMothers they made the decision to go, knowing there’s a global pandemic, despite it being very widely reported that a second wave may happen. It was a risk taken. It was their choice.

I am not oblivious. I am being honest. It take some serious head in the sand thinking to think everything was suddenly ok to be able to travel without risk. It is a very clear risk to travel during a GLOBAL PANDEMIC[/quote]
A global pandemic? A GLOBAL PANDEMIC?

For the love of God, if you're going to froth in capitals about it, can you please take a break from the frothing for long enough to acknowledge that the concept of "worldwide" - alternative meaning: "global" - is embedded in the definition of the word "pandemic"? You really don't need the tautology - unless of course you enjoy the injection of extra melodrama it gives.

I find it incredibly worrying how quickly people have turned against each other in this awful situation - there is so much 'telling tales' it reminds me of the worst situations in history where people turned against each other to follow the 'rules'.

Yep. It's really sobering. At the beginning of total lockdown peope were looking out for each other. Now, wherever I look, people are judging, complaining and moaning about everyone else.

Within 24 hours of the mask wearing rule coming in, my local police had to put out a message on social media asking people not to call them to report people not wearing a mask in shops. Their phone lines were clogged with these calls which meant people with serious issues weren't able to get through. Unbelievable.

@Morsmordre

So OP - let me get this straight... a friend of your partner has made a comment that he has no intention of isolating on his return back from Spain and you want to report him.

Yet he’s not actually returned back from Spain yet or broken any rules - but yet you still want to report him for an ‘off the cuff’ comment he’s made, not to you directly but to your partner. And even though he hasn’t broken any rules yet because he’s not actually flown home or landed in the UK?

Yep. This pandemic has really brought out the best in some people hasn’t it?

@Lweji
Portugal, for example, opened a bit too soon and hasn't got numbers down enough, but they have been stable
This is completely untrue. Portugal reopened bars and restaurants on 18th May. Wearing a mask has been mandatory from that date.
The border with Spain wasn't opened until July 1st. There's been very particular spikes in particular areas and both were immediately locked down again.
The Portuguese authorities know exactly where these spikes happened and who has caused the spikes. They also have a very comprehensive track and trace system.
Stop peddling lies.

@MaxNormal

You know that Spain is huge and that most areas of Spain still have really low instances of infection, right?

You can seriously see how the Stasi flourished.

Spain has a higher R no. than the U.K. at the moment, that’s why the quarantine rule has been brought in. Some areas of Spain may well have low instances of infection but as a whole, the infection rate is higher. This virus is not something you can mess about with, decisions like this need to be made in an instant.