To report someone returning from Spain

[Archie1989]

A friend of my partner has said he has no intention of isolating on his return from Spain. Should I anonymously report them? My mum was on the shielding list and it’s making me quite angry. People who went abroad would know the risks during all of this....and then to refuse to isolate shows such arrogance and disregard for others.

I don’t know this person well and I don’t want to make my partner feel stuck in the middle.

It's called "doing a Dominic Cummings" - the rules don't apply to your friend.
There are always such selfish people in the world.
Sadly

oh ffs SAGE don't make the decisions, they are government advisors. the government make any decisions. And people aren't taking NCOV-SARS2 to Spain, or Majorca, or Cornwall, or anywhere else, it's still there! Like it is everywhere.

@MaxNormal - I look at it the way Dave Brailsford approached Team Sky. Small incremental changes. We all have a part to play and we all need to play it to help each other. That way we can control the spread. Time people stopped moaning & considered others.

@LadyEloise yes - that’s it! This attitude of being above the rules. Can you imagine if we all had that attitude?

@Archie1989 it must be tough being perfect! What does you DH think about you reporting his friends?

@madbirdlady22

I'm qualified enough and would say (and did say) there would be ripples for sure

If its all the same with you, I think we will leave the decision making to those in SAGE that are highly specialised rather some random on an internet forum thanks Lweji

I wish SAGE were actually making decisions.

Whether there will be an actual second wave or not falls under prediction territory. And experts don't quite agree with each other on that aspect. Nor do models.
It will depend on many factors. Enough to virtually fall under chaos theory territory. Small effects, big changes.

Countries that take this seriously and have the resources will be making fine adjustments and keeping the pressure up.
Those that won't will soon find the need to. Like the UK ended up in lockdown in spite of earlier dismissals of the problem. Or like Sweden, who ended up with too many elderly deaths.

All those people saying mind your own business need to get a bloody grip.

So you’d be chuffed if your workmate arrived at work on Monday morning having just flown in from Spain. They just happened to be incubating Covid. You happen to catch it and take it home to your elderly relative, your immunosuppressed child or partner and they became seriously ill!! You’d just think ahhh well at least Betty enjoyed her holiday. Of course you bloody wouldn’t. Idiots!!

@Coronabegone I absolutely do not think I’m perfect....I’m really not sure why you think that comment is relevant. There’s a difference between making mistakes and a complete blasé disregard for recommendations on health. I might add, the same recommendations made by several countries, not just the UK.

@PinkiOcelot yes! This!

These people complaining cannot plead that they travelled in good faith and have now been screwed over. Yes they were 'allowed' but we all knew the quarantine rules could change at any time. If you chose to go abroad you should deal with the potential consequences. With that said, I do think the government should be supporting those who are having to quarantine so that the numbers of people breaking the rules will be less.

@PinkiOcelot

All those people saying mind your own business need to get a bloody grip.

So you’d be chuffed if your workmate arrived at work on Monday morning having just flown in from Spain. They just happened to be incubating Covid. You happen to catch it and take it home to your elderly relative, your immunosuppressed child or partner and they became seriously ill!! You’d just think ahhh well at least Betty enjoyed her holiday. Of course you bloody wouldn’t. Idiots!!

You need a grip.

Any co-workers could catch sars-cov-2 in the UK and pass it on at work.

Distancing, hand hygiene and PPE are more important to prevent transmission to anyone than quarantine when travelling from any other country.

You only happen to catch it at work if none of you is taking precautions at work.
Any of your work colleagues could be infected.

Yes I would report, as my mum is still shielding(Scotland) she is I have been told extremely vulnerable and if I meet idiots that refuse to quarantine and pass on the virus I would be so angry at such selfishness. Hope your husband backs you up!

I think @PinkiOcelot has summed it up completely.

Local police website have a form to report.

I do think this is bringing out the worst in some people. Spain is a very big country and the rise in cases is in a few localised places. If I'd been to Majorca and gone in good faith, or lose a significant amount of money, I'd be pretty annoyed at having a blanket, nonsensical quarantine imposed on me.

It's as if people think that all travellers from Spain have the virus.

So they went abroad in good faith, got screwed by the rule change and now you want to grass them? Just mind your own business.

are you serious. If you go on holiday during a pandemic I question the sanity of that alone but feel 'screwed by the changes' that are there to protect us is just plain selfish. Report it. We had a local business refuse to wear masks and let customers know. they have been hit hard by local counsilers, police and local media. One person can do a lot of damage so it is evryone elses business at this point in time.

Lweji I disagree with you. With the best intentions it's not possible to maintain precautions at work at all times when you are in the thick of a work situation. I self-isolated in March after evacuating from Italy. It's do-able. It's better than the alternative. We had an 'incident' at work last week a covidiot colleague developed symptoms at work, told a colleague she was going for and went for a test on the way home.......but didn't tell their line manager until the next day...when all hell broke loss with the office being closed, contract cleaners brought in etc.

@Archie1989 for the third time I'll ask, what does your partner think about you donning his friends in? Hope your relationship is very strong, because I'd not be happy with that!

@Coronabegone for the third time? This thread has so far had 370 comments, which I did not expect. There’s no need to be so rude. To be honest, I’m not sure why I’m responding to someone with such an attitude at all.

My partner isn’t happy about him doing that and has been trying to think of a way to raise it with him.

And donning his friends in? A nice throwback to being in a playground there.

@AldiAisleofCrap

Oh hello Stasi. MYOB you do understand when people reported others to the Stasi it often resulted in those people dying. Whereas reporting people for not quarantining could saves lives. It’s the complete opposite.

I’m sure the Stasi had plenty of their own notions of the public good fuelled by government propaganda.

The drive/ compulsion is the same: desire to enact vigilante justice. It’s not the OP’s business to be spying on her partner’s friends and reporting them to the government. Leave it to law enforcement to enforce the rules.

I would report to the police if they were actually not sticking to quarantine. And no I don’t think op should tell them first either, judging by some of the responses on this thread she’d likely receive a load of abuse so why bother putting herself in that position. Also they’d probably still go out but just be more careful to make sure that op didn’t find out.

Well then @Archie1989 if they are your partners friends, he is trying to sort in then let him deal with it?

And MYOB?

When you can go in a pub & give your name as Mickey Mouse, no having to produce ID, what is the point of ordering anyone returning from Spain to quarantine? Nobody is really going to enforce it.

This is an example of research that shows that asymptomatic people can shed virus with a median of 19 days. This means that 50% of asymptomatic cases will shed the virus for longer.

www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0965-6

Quarantine for 14 days still means that people returning infected from wherever can still go to the office and infect co-workers.

Seriously, treat everyone as a potential virus carrier.
And treat yourself as one too.

And implement serious protective measures at work.

The UK is not New Zealand. You have the virus.
And tourists are less likely to be sharing kisses and hugs with locals in Spain.
People from abroad aren't much more of a concern than people who haven't left the UK.