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AIBU - out last night until 2am

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Ostracod · 25/07/2020 22:40

After 8 years of being at home baby rearing (DS8, DS5) I'm finally feeling like I want to cultivate a social life again. Nothing flash, just visiting friends in their homes, attending hobby workshops and events and going to pubs when they're open again properly. My husband of 12 years recently gave up his career as a musician so we can start a business together. He is at the opposite end of the sociability spectrum as he says he has worked in pubs 3 nights a week for 20 years and wants to have some time at home relaxing.

My idea of a good time is sitting having a really in depth chat with a few friends and maybe watching live music or having dinner together. I have started to do this maybe one or two nights a month as well as dog walks with friends etc during the week, totalling maybe 6 things a month without him. We work, live and parent together 24/7 other than that. We also see family and mutual friends together a couple of times a week, usually at our house.

However, my husband seems to be putting up increasing barriers to me doing this. I make dinner before I go and clear up, so all he has to do is put the kids to bed, enjoy his solo evening and go to bed. He has asked me to stay until the kids are in bed before but I firmly said no to that. He's now said he worries if I'm out late and can't sleep, to which I said I would text the address of where I am if it's a friends house, and would send a message if I'm going to be later than midnight. Because me and my friends are the sort who chat a lot, sometimes if the wine is flowing it gets pretty late, like 2.30am. I always text when I'm leaving. He has now said he would prefer if I chose to be considerate with the time I come home, as after midnight disrupts his sleep. He insisted it wasn't a curfew but said it's ignorant to wake someone up in the night.

Last night, I visited an old friend of more than a decade in her home. The wine flowed, the chats continued until 1am. I sent a message home saying I'd probably be another hour, his phone was off. I wasn't drunk, we shared 1 bottle between us all evening.

Upon my return home, our dog barked once. Otherwise I was really quiet and got ready outside the bedroom. He was sitting up in bed, furious, saying I'd woken him up. It was 2.15am on a Saturday morning, neither of us had anything to do this weekend. I apologised and got straight into bed. He continued to berate me, saying it was really fucking selfish of me to ruin his sleep and go against what he asked of me. It got to 4am and he was still furious, he shook me awake and called me a selfish cunt for waking him, and that going out late is a sign of a midlife crisis. He dragged the covers off me and told me to fuck off downstairs. I didn't budge and just lay there. This happened twice more until 5am when he finally passed out. The kids came in at 7 and I took them downstairs, made breakfast and kept them entertained until 11.30 when he surfaced. I made him a cup of tea and he made lunch for himself and the kids before announcing he was going out. I asked if he wanted dinner later and he said "I'll say yes then swan in at 4am", then walked out. He took the car and is still out, no message or anything. So there you have it. Extremely detailed as I don't want to skip any relevant facts. Am I selfish and entitled or is that controlling behaviour from him?

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Lucy40ishere · 26/07/2020 08:50

Oh my god you deserve to be happy & have a social life! Even if it wasn’t for the fact that you have been raising kids for the last 8 years. YANBU at all & it’s really important for you to have this time to yourself. I would find my partner being out until 4am hard as I do sleep lightly but I would discuss this with him reasonably. I agree with PP that your partners behaviour seems very controlling. My friend’s (now ex) partner was similar, sulking if she went out, locking her out of the bedroom if she got in late- crazy stuff like that. Is he controlling in other ways? You deserve so much better.

pictish · 26/07/2020 08:51

I wonder about the few posters here that say (to paraphrase) they’d be annoyed by being awoken by someone (their husband, I presume) coming in at 2am.
What’s the solution? Never stay out beyond your partner’s bedtime? No thanks.

My dh is a light sleeper and if I’m on a late one he’ll inevitably be disturbed by me coming in, no matter how quiet I am. He’s really good about it though, never cross. Asks if I had a good time, maybe goes for a pee and settles back down again. It has never been an issue. It doesn’t occur to him to be pissed off with me because how late I stay out is up to me. He thinks it’s good for me to get out.

Unless the dh is a regular selfish party animal, noisy bastard and obnoxious drunk...why would anyone here be pissed off by their dh coming in and going to bed at 2am?

Keepingthingsinteresting · 26/07/2020 08:59

@alreadytaken - reading in a bit much there to the OP! The OP’ partner’s response was mental and abusive and you’re going on about drink driving. Stop apologising for him.

speakout · 26/07/2020 09:05

why would anyone here be pissed off by their dh coming in and going to bed at 2am?

Because I am a light sleeper and he would wake me up.

I would prefer he stayed over and came back the next morning.

Mulhollandmagoo · 26/07/2020 09:05

@alreadytaken a woman going out to see her friends without her husband isn't 'acting like a teenager' that is such dangerous and inappropriate advice to give in this situation.

The OP has absolutely no hand in her husband's horrific behaviour and you've massively downplayed her husband's concerning behaviour by saying her actions caused it. You've basically used the most popular line from the abusers handbook 'look what you made him do'

pictish · 26/07/2020 09:06

I think alreadytaken has replied on the wrong thread because nothing she says tallies in with the narrative presented here. Unless having a social life and being out after midnight just equates ‘reckless and thoughtless’ to her as standard of course...which would be nuts.

pictish · 26/07/2020 09:09

speakout do you think being disturbed is of more import than him being allowed to come home to his own bed in his own time? My dh wouldn’t dream of asking me not to come home.
It depends how often it happens of course...but using the OP’s example, twice a month.

Motoko · 26/07/2020 09:10

This is abuse OP, and abuse never gets better. In fact it increases over time.

You may not be ready to leave now, but you need to start preparing to leave, as it's only a matter of time before he starts hitting you. He's already getting physical by pulling the covers off you.

Check out the Freedom Programme, and have a look at the Women's Aid website.

Serin · 26/07/2020 09:11

Good God. Why do people put up with this? Seriously?
My DH is not sociable at all, when I go out with friends, he either volunteers to take them home or one of their DHs does.
He never goes to bed until I'm home and usually has sandwiches and tea made.
I honestly dont know why you are putting up with his behaviour.
I would leave.

alreadytaken · 26/07/2020 09:13

post this in reverse with a man doing this and you would get the sort of comments I've made - but with others about he isnt with friends, he is seeing another woman.

There are several references to the "wine flowing" and despite the claim that it's only one bottle in the evening that is hardly wine flowing, is it. Again if it was a woman writing this about a man the responses would be quite different.

BurtsBeesKnees · 26/07/2020 09:15

His behaviour isn't about him being worried about you driving, or coming in late, it's about the fact he simply doesn't want you doing it!

I can see you're trying to excuse your behaviour on here too i only do it once or twice a month so what! You're entitled to see friends and spend time with them. Just because you're married and have kids doesn't mean you've got to be chained to the sink and by his side 24/7. You should have friends and other interests, it healthy. Stop trying to justify your action.

This is his problem. Don't start to refuse invites or Taylor your behaviour. He can cope with you coming to bed at 2am a few times a month. Unless he starts to support you and, the only thing he says when you get home is 'did you have a nice time' I'd start to seriously think if the relationship is worth it.

Oh and if my dh called me a cunt kick him to the kerb.

His behaviour last night is him trying to train you not to go out again. He's telling you he'll give you a night of abuse and leave for the day if you dare do it again

Quartz2208 · 26/07/2020 09:18

He told you exactly what he wants you there waiting at home for him and doing everything

I think you need to say that is not happening anymore that is not the life you want. He can either get on board with you having a life and doing things or he cant

isabellerossignol · 26/07/2020 09:21

You say you are not drink driving but it certainly sounds as if you might be. Most people play down their drinking and it wouldnt be surprising if he worried about you drink driving.

I can't find a post where the OP refers to drink driving.

pictish · 26/07/2020 09:21

alreadytaken - I’d be the first to agree that there are some pinchy-faced harridans on mumsnet that would take your stance if the roles were reversed but most people here are reasonable human adults who accept their spouse can have a night out, let the wine flow and come home when they like.

Quarantimespringclean · 26/07/2020 09:22

He is trying to control you and isolate you. This is the beginning of emotional abuse. If you tolerate it or give in to it (for a quiet life), it will escalate.

Nothing you have described is in anyway unreasonable. I’ve been married for over 30 years and have had many, many, many solo nights out of the sort you describe. My DH is fine with it because he isn’t controlling or abusive.

tobedtoMNandfart · 26/07/2020 09:22

I hope you are OK today OP? 💐

flowerpot6 · 26/07/2020 09:23

You need to deal with this OP. Address it with him - his reaction the other night is OTT and selfish. His attitude around putting the kids to bed is appalling. His calling you having any sort of life a 'midlife crisis' is patronising as hell. As everyone else has said, it's controlling and abusive behaviour from him, you are not behaving unreasonably or selfishly from what you've told us.

I'm also shocked at the 8 years 'baby rearing'. Do you mean to say you have had no social life whatsoever for 8 years?? I'd be worried about the state of your mental health and your confidence. Everyone needs friends and their own interests, as well as some independence. I think you really need to start carving out your boundaries and seek to reclaim as much life for yourself as you can.

isabellerossignol · 26/07/2020 09:23

@alreadytaken

post this in reverse with a man doing this and you would get the sort of comments I've made - but with others about he isnt with friends, he is seeing another woman.

There are several references to the "wine flowing" and despite the claim that it's only one bottle in the evening that is hardly wine flowing, is it. Again if it was a woman writing this about a man the responses would be quite different.

I've never seen a post on Mumsnet where a female poster complains about her male partner making dinner and clearing up before he goes out for a few hours.
Rachie1973 · 26/07/2020 09:32

Honestly it’s so controlling! I’d have been arrested for slapping anyone that shook me awake at 5am without good reason!

My DH only worries when I’m home before midnight when on a girlie night out. I trip over the door step, kick a few chairs, stumble up to bed and he just laughs and says ‘sounds like you had a good night?’

That’s it, that’s normal. No recriminations, no anger, no resentment. Just a bloke that wants his wife to have a great time and let loose sometimes.

Brefugee · 26/07/2020 09:42

He's mostly really kind and thoughtful, but me going out with friends makes him uncomfortable and it's so difficult to align the stars and ensure I do it all right I often cancel or refuse invitations now

can you arrange to stay out overnight? i would... and I'd be looking for exit strategies. Then I'd make it clear to him that a couple of nights a month is not at all unreasonable and in fact good for your mental health and let him choose: wife with good mental health or single life.

Because although that sounds drastic, this will be your life now if you agree not to go out (or with a curfew). Is that what you want? Do you want your sons to see that's how wives are treated?

Tistheseason17 · 26/07/2020 09:44

His reaction was totally unreasonable.
Have you had a conversation with him about this?
Perhaps, say, "There will be times when I come in after midnight in the future - how can we manage this going forward to avoid a repeat of last night?"
If his response is asking you to get home eatly/not go out - then you have some proper thinking to do. You can't have children thinking this is normal respectful behaviour- it is not.

RollercoasterRaver · 26/07/2020 09:46

He is deranged. Pulling the cover off you?? He is acting like a child and the fact you're asking if you are BU concerns me a great deal.

Furthermore, that you accepted that behaviour by lying there saying nothing.....has he been like this before?

sunflowersandtulips50 · 26/07/2020 09:47

I said YABU for getting up the next day and making him tea. He was terribly abusive during the night and has zero repercussions. He isn't nice, he doesn't want you going out and regularly tries to put barriers up to prevent you.

LizzieBennett70 · 26/07/2020 09:56

His reaction was horrible, OP. No wonder you feel so shaken by it.

He's trying to control your behaviour, and he's already getting results.

I think you need to talk this through with a professional - Women's Aid or similar, or even a relationship counsellor. And start making steps to get yourself out of this relationship. This is no way to live for the rest of your life Flowers

Tappering · 26/07/2020 09:59

Leave, leave, leave.

He's controlling, abusive and trying to isolate you. You've already said that he comes up with as many excuses as possible about why you shouldn't go out. Now he's trying to make you frightened of his reaction so that you stop going altogether.

He won't change, he will get worse, this is not normal, and you need to leave.

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