12 year old arrested

[Pixxie7]

Do you think the police acted appropriately given that they had a tip off that a boy was waving a gun around.

@ZombieFan

The police were not "confronted by a semi-naked man

Ummm yes they were. The mother admitted in the C4 interview that her son was 'topless'. And the police had no way of knowing what age he was when he opened the door at midnight (he looks a lot older than 12).

A 12 year old is not a man.

OMG @Tunnocks34 !!! Did you chuck the "gun" away?

@Tunnocks34

This happened to my (white) husband recently.

Our stupid MIL bought our 7 year old a very, very realistic looking toy gun. Son opened it, and took it in the car with us to a shopping centre. We told him he couldn’t bring it in, and he gave it to me and I stupidly put it on the dashboard.

We had armed police turn up at our house in the middle of the night as someone reported us! My husband was walked to the car to retrieve the gun.

I must say, after it was all cleared up the police were lovely and apologetic, but I was terrified and confused obviously initially. Thank God the kids were staying at my parents.

Were your husband or in-laws arrested?

Were the the streets nearby cordoned off?

Was the whole family asked walk into the street with their hands up?

I'm guessing no to all of those questions, although please do correct me if I'm wrong.

@Andthewinnerislucky in a report I read she said she was asleep on the sofa next to the boy who was on his laptop and had the gun with him

www.channel4.com/news/mother-accuses-police-of-racial-profiling-after-12-year-old-son-arrested-by-armed-officers

The mum is seriously deluded. Her own words are arrested on suspicion and didn't ask questions first. That is the system. Arrested on suspicion - questioned - then depending on evidence the police charge.

She actually sits there and says to media that police followed procedure. She doesn't give any evidence they did something wrong. She says her and family could have been shot. Well that's highly unlikely if they did as police said - which they did.

Then goes on to say police should have let her go and get the gun and let her approach them with a very real looking handgun to prove it's a BB gun.

So she wanted to do the very thing that would have given the police a defence to shoot if needed.

Maybe the witness also saw the woman lying on the sofa and thought she might have been shot

@EnoughAlready2020. They did have their guns up when they came to the house. There were 8 officers, all pretty much in full SWAT gear. My husband was frogmarched (in his underpants only) to his car to retrieve the gun whilst I was sat in the front room (I wouldn’t say at gun point but the officer had a gun). I wasn’t allowed to dress properly or move (I was wearing a night gown). The police checked the gun, identified it was a toy, and told us what had happened. They didn’t search the house, we weren’t arrested but my husband was put in cuffs when he went to the car with the officer. The reason we weren’t removed from the house, was because the ‘gun’ was still in the car.

I am pakistani so I am well aware of prejudices faced by BAME, but to me is sounds like procedure was followed here.

Would 'black male with handgun in inner city London' get the same response as 'white kid in middle class village with possible handgun'?

@itsgettingweird well that's exactly what happened to @Tunnocks34 's husband?

Well that's highly unlikely if they did as police said - which they did.

tbf it is made much more likely by the presence of people with machine guns in your house though isn't it?

Also how does she know what procedure is for their given situation? How do MN posters? Is a potential hostage situation always met with a raid? Certainly not the impression I've been left with.

If they're going to storm into a house with a 12 year old in it, I think they've gone in on very low intel

@hadenoughbleach in laws weren’t staying.

They did have their guns up when they came to the house. There were 8 officers, all pretty much in full SWAT gea

When they cane in, did they say what had happened and give you a chance to explain?

Before frogmarching your husband to the car in handcuffs?

@EnoughAlready2020 no. My husband was not allowed to touch the gun, only walk to the car, at gun point, to verbally say where it was. He was in cuffs and in his underpants.

To those, who have said it was bollocks when I and others have it was due to his skin colour, I am reposting this article. This time a white male. www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/bb-gun-recovered-after-armed-17806062

I get this thread is discussing a child. But the police were not informed of this from what they have said. Ergo a white Male and a black Male were treated identically. In fact this time seemingly the police burst in indicating they possibly didn’t knock on the door.

@ineedaholidaynow
Oh okay. I watched the video someone linked here and I can't tell where she came from, as she said when she "..came out, Kai had already opened the door..."

I would think if she was with him, the caller would have seen her too... but I don't know.

I don't want to link it here because it's just me speculating that it may have had an affect on how and why the mum feels the way she does about it. But Google her name if interested.

@chomalungma no. My husband was told to get down, he was told they needed to see his car. I was told to come to the front room. It was very quick as well and like I say, confusing.

@ineedaholidaynow

Maybe the witness also saw the woman lying on the sofa and thought she might have been shot

That's possible.

Who knows?

@Tunnocks34 but you were treated differently. You weren't in cuffs. You weren't frogmarched to a different street. No-one is saying the police shouldn't have turned up armed, all I'm saying is that the response wasn't proportionate.

[quote EnoughAlready2020]**@itsgettingweird* well that's exactly what happened to @Tunnocks34* 's husband?[/quote]
Eh?

Tunnocks husband was faced with exactly the same situation. Her description is the same.

Difference is she accepts it was a daft move putting the gun on the dashboard - rather than blaming the government because the gun wasn't banned.

So yes, so far there's no more evidence mounting that the males skin colour had any influence on procedure followed.

@EnoughAlready2020 we were told the only reason we weren’t removed from the house was because the gun was reported in the car, and was still in the car.

Had the gun been reported on a person, then yes, we would have been removed from the house whilst they searched for it.

@Chanjer

Well that's highly unlikely if they did as police said - which they did.

tbf it is made much more likely by the presence of people with machine guns in your house though isn't it?

Also how does she know what procedure is for their given situation? How do MN posters? Is a potential hostage situation always met with a raid? Certainly not the impression I've been left with.

If they're going to storm into a house with a 12 year old in it, I think they've gone in on very low intel

They didn't storm in.

Mum herself admits they had entered and arrested her son before she even woke up.

She herself doesn't give the impression of a huge entrance!

@Mummyoflittledragon thank you for sharing that link! No one is saying the police shouldn't have turned up armed, but even in your link, the guy wasn't handcuffed, nor arrested or frogmarched in the middle of the night to another street.

Mum herself admits they had entered and arrested her son before she even woke up

Why arrest someone?

You have the guns trained on the family. You have the power.

Why arrest someone?

If only you knew what was involved. It isn't just a call comes in and a load of people turn up with guns making it up as they go along.
It's the polar opposite.

This is exactly what I'm saying. There's more to it.