To think it is appalling Asda are using disabled spaces?

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For their click and collect orders?

Our Asda has a hut in the middle of the carpark. During lockdown understandably this became busy and was blocking the flow of traffic so they moved click and collect to the side of the store. All fine.

Went to get my order for the first time ina few weeks and realise they have now moved it to the other side of the carpark.. using the disabled bays as the collection point.

Yes, they have other disabled bays, but as I understood it they needed a certain amount or they wouldnt have been originally installed? When questioned, they said it was because they are only using one of the entrances, "hardly anyone " was using them. Surely that is not the point? They are there for a reason! And the queues to the entrance they are using are quite often up to these ones anyway so the person would have to walk further to reach the end of the queue!

Same for a lot of places with parent and child places.

Equally appalling is the number of people who think YABU. Access to shops, theatres, public transport, sports events etc. for people with disabilities is woeful in this country. Of course the Tories have brainwashed the public into thinking they are all just scroungers!

I suppose if they were never full before now then they will be even less full now that vulnerable people are shielding. I'm sure they're not literally taking spaces from those who need it!

They'd better make those blue badge spaces available again for when I have to stop shielding next week, otherwise I'll be parking in the parent and child spaces. And, I don't give a flying fuck who doesn't like it!

The disabled get first options on delivery

Do they hell! Been shielding here since mid March. I'm on the list, had a few food boxes etc. The only supermarket that I've been able to get deliveries from is Morrison's. They are not priority slots because I'm shielding, it was a case of staying awake half the night to try to get one.
I had an email from Ocado 3 days ago finally offering me priority delivery slots. 18 weeks too bloody late

@Boysgrownbutstillathome

Equally appalling is the number of people who think YABU. Access to shops, theatres, public transport, sports events etc. for people with disabilities is woeful in this country. Of course the Tories have brainwashed the public into thinking they are all just scroungers!

It started with the Blair government. Demonisation of disabled people. Successive governments have simply continued the attack. Aided by the media.

It would annoy me. Especially the argument that loads of other spaces are available as the entrance isn't being used anyway, totally overlooking the fact that disabled bays are wider for a reason.

Without exception the people seen using the disabled bay and popping their blue badge in the front windscreen then usually scoot off for quite few hours shopping. Maybe this abuse is why there is limited sympathy for the loss of this facility.
You obviously have no idea about disabilities or how difficult it is to get a blue badge. 😡

@angeltop

So incredibly happy for you that you have such little idea about disability, you lead a charmed life. That is the only way anyone ould be so bloody judgemental.

Hope your charmed life continues...if it doesn't you're in for one hell of a shock.

@angeltop

Without exception the people seen using the disabled bay and popping their blue badge in the front windscreen then usually scoot off for quite few hours shopping. Maybe this abuse is why there is limited sympathy for the loss of this facility.

I know it must be awful for you seeing all those disabled people taking decent spaces from you. Bless you.

I cant believe most people have said YABU. Just shows how people still think of disabled people. Totally disgusting. My mum can barely walk and needs to be as close as
possible to the store as she still likes to be as independent as possible. She says there isn't always a disabled space available.

I am surprised by some of these answers. I thought it would be better, as a PP mentioned, to use the parent bays as these are courtesy spaces and not legally mandated.

Yes, because as we have learned through this lock down, young children and their parents don't matter.

Try getting two tiny kids out of car seats in a normal space. The door simply wont open wide enough! Over the last few years cars have got bigger and wider. Parking spaces haven't got wider, theres a reliance on parking sensors to allow people to slot neatly in but I regularly struggle to get my (size 12) self out of my car when I get stuck between 2 large vehicles, let alone the kids.

Sick of people ignoring the needs of parents and children. Their needs matter just as much as disabled people.

@NoIDontWatchLoveIsland

I am surprised by some of these answers. I thought it would be better, as a PP mentioned, to use the parent bays as these are courtesy spaces and not legally mandated.

Yes, because as we have learned through this lock down, young children and their parents don't matter.

Try getting two tiny kids out of car seats in a normal space. The door simply wont open wide enough! Over the last few years cars have got bigger and wider. Parking spaces haven't got wider, theres a reliance on parking sensors to allow people to slot neatly in but I regularly struggle to get my (size 12) self out of my car when I get stuck between 2 large vehicles, let alone the kids.

Sick of people ignoring the needs of parents and children. Their needs matter just as much as disabled people.

1. Disabled people don’t grow out of needing wider spaces. Unlike children.
2. P&C spaces are a courtesy however fab they are for parents.
3. How are the the two linked?
4. Why do you think disabled people responsible for the needs of parents?

I think it depends. I know where I work, even on Saturday the disabled bays aren't full but other than supermarkets seem to have very limited disabled parking.
As I said before they should have used the parent and child spaces (and I have a young baby) which aren't a legal requirement. In this case though it does sound like there were a number of disabled spaces free.
The real problem comes when everyone goes back to shopping normally but perhaps when that happens they won't need extra space for click and collect.

Thank you Lou Mumsnet

1. what does it matter if individual children grow out of needing P&C spaces, they will be replaced by more young children. There is a societal need for consideration of the needs of young children and their parents.
2. because someone upthread suggested it would be better to use P&C spaces than disabled. I would argue it is equally bad.

1. You’re spectacularly missing the point. The mere fact that children are replaced means that parents are only inconvenienced for a short period of time. Unlike disability. This is generally permanent. People can live with disability for 80 years for example. Parents can just park farther away and take up 2 spaces. Unlike a lot of disabled people.

2. P&C spaces are not a legal requirement. No comparison. You can argue away. But you are not legally in the right.

Yes, because as we have learned through this lock down, young children and their parents don't matter
Eh...how?
I think what we have learnt is that people with disabilities have been at the arse end of this situation....and People Do Not Care.

Disabled children not having their needs supported as EHCPs are 'paused'....regular healthcare appointments and therapies unable to be maintained...carers struggling as there is no respite provision and exponentially higher numbers of disabled people dying from Covid 19 than those without disabilities (and look at the complete non event that the release of those figures created....)
People Do Not Care.

P and C spaces are a marketing ploy that makes a small minority of parents think they can’t do without. Yet they manage at all the places that don’t have them.

Disabled parking is the difference between someone being able to get out of the house and not.

The two are in no way comparable

Bupkis you can't use a blue badge if the blue badge holder isn't present even if shopping for them.

I agree that disabled spaces are absolutely a priority, but P&C if used by those with a child seat they need to take out or for those children it is much safer for due to ASD etc then they are valuable. But the amount of people who use them just because they have a child under 12 in the car who can safely exit the car and not pose a risk is ridiculous. I used to avoid them and park a distance away where the car park was quieter, the issue is you cannot guarantee no one will park next to you and make it impossible to get in with a car seat, making the wider spaces valuable. That said, for most people they could go shopping with someone else so they can move the car out of the space if that happens, or walk somewhere instead of drive. DH was away with work for a lot of my mat leave but I had the option to walk to the more expensive, but perfectly fine town for shopping. If I were disabled I wouldn't have had that option more than likely, it would have been extremely restrictive if I could not park. So whilst I do think they are useful if used correctly, I agree that it's not the same.

It's not ideal but agree that the shop may need put the click and collect in an area close to the store which occupies the disabled bays.

However if that's the case, they should then mark up temporary disabled bays in the non disabled bays which are nearest the entrance, as well as fast tracking BB holders through the queues.

Sorry - you are right. They can't be used unless the blue badge holder is in the vehicle.