To still be pissed of by Jamie Oliver

[marysuzairn]

Everytime I go round a friend's house and they bring out the pims I can't have it because virtually all lemonade now has sweeteners in. People say they taste like crap and gives me such a bad headache.

@KisstheTeapot14iss the thing is that nobody will be bothered to campaign for Steviol. It takes people to step up to the table and spend a lot of time voluntarily to make a change and most people (understandably) can't be bothered.

This is a completely mad thread and shows how much is wrong with people’s eating habits..

The fact is that most people eat too much sugar. Anyone who says there is nothing wrong with that is deluded - why do we have so many fats kids and adults? (and no, it’s no lack of exercise - diet plays a much bigger role in people’s weight)

JO and lots of other people have campaigned about this. Food manufacturers have had pressure put on them to do something about it. What they should have really done is reduce sugar in drinks and all the processed foods that don’t need so much sugar. But the problem is that most processed foods are made with cheap ingredients and basically have no taste/horrible taste unless they are packed with sugar and salt. So manufacturers have responded by substituting AS for sugar in cheap, processed foods and drinks.

It’s very easy to avoid AS by avoiding unhealthy processed food.

The 1990s called OP....they want their Pimms back

Bottlegreen make some lovely cordials. I buy Rocks for the grand children just not comfortable giving them additives like this.

I think we found natural lemonade (ie no additives, but it does have sugar - not aspartame etc) in Tesco, Lidl and the Co-op. You have to read all the labels until you find it, obviously, as have little idea of who makes any of it.

He is drinking a Sicilian lemonade which comes in bright yellow cans from the Co-op atm, but I don't know about the sugar/sweetener. I'm assuming it's sugar.

Anyway, Pimms should be made with champagne, not lemonade. If you MUST stint then use white wine.

@Notcontent

This is a completely mad thread and shows how much is wrong with people’s eating habits..

The fact is that most people eat too much sugar. Anyone who says there is nothing wrong with that is deluded - why do we have so many fats kids and adults? (and no, it’s no lack of exercise - diet plays a much bigger role in people’s weight)

JO and lots of other people have campaigned about this. Food manufacturers have had pressure put on them to do something about it. What they should have really done is reduce sugar in drinks and all the processed foods that don’t need so much sugar. But the problem is that most processed foods are made with cheap ingredients and basically have no taste/horrible taste unless they are packed with sugar and salt. So manufacturers have responded by substituting AS for sugar in cheap, processed foods and drinks.

It’s very easy to avoid AS by avoiding unhealthy processed food.

Yeah...easy to do if you have the money to do it

Those who have a very low budget have no choice to have the “unhealthy processed food” and therefore are suffered to have sweetener

xolotltezcatlopoca

Wow, I have no clue what you are on about tbh, WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll.

I said nothing about diabetes. FYI, I have a child with multiple severe allergies who carry epi-pen everywhere, and also have chronic illness who need to take meds his whole life/ missing part of his organ. So, yes, I am quite aware some small thing can be life threatening.

Apologies if I misunderstood what you were saying, but it very much sounded to me like you were saying that nobody should have a choice what they eat or drink, just because some people are obese. Should we ban 18-rated films just because some people are children?

Mate I'm still pissed about the turkey twizlers 😂 I always drank diet stuff any way as I prefer the taste but God he ruined my school dinners!

Haven't read the full thread, so apologies if someone has already said, but ready mixed cans of Pimms and lemonade don't have sweetners.

The market doesn't want sugar in drinks so the manufacturers adapted.
Thats not true though is it, there is a market for drinks without artificial sweeteners as San Pelligrino found to their cost. As i said above i dont buy any drinks with artificial sweeteners and never have, so those companies that have changed recipes to artificial sweeteneers have lost my business and i am buying more expensive brands because they taste nicer.
London essence also do really nice flavoured tonics. We bought some really nice Schweppes flavoured tonics in Belgium but they dont sell them in the uk

I find it gets harder to get squash without fake sweetener as well

Even “Normal” ribena now has sweetener

It gives me a headache/is a migraine trigger

Bloody stuff is everywhere, even in pickles etc

I think, while I share your hatred of sweeteners, YABU. Because the problem was that people weren't just having sugary drinks as a wee treat at a friend's house. Some people, quite a lot of people actually, drank full sugar drinks all the time. Several times a week, more? I remember growing up in the 90s and we had a fuzzy drinks van coming round the street instead of a milk van! As a student, I frequently had vodka and diet coke on a night out, then full sugar coke the following day to get me through my morning lectures. Or I'd get a meal deal lunch with a full sugar fanta or whatever. Now, this is unthinkable. I don't think it's all to do with JO, but he did play a part and I think it's a good thing.

Obviously, I'm older and wiser now and feel I could be trusted with cheap, full sugar drinks. But when I was a kid and a student, no, sorry, I was a total sugar fiend. The irony is I was a lot thinner then . Riddle me that!

I but forrin cans of pop.
Ting, Ka and seem to contain plenty of sweet sweet sugar

Another one here who dislikes most artificial sweeteners. As a gin and tonic drinker I was delighted when pubs stopped offering Schweppes diet tonic water as the default tonic water.

Round where I live gin bars have sprung up all over the place, along with the availability of decent tonic water, although it took some time for them to cotton on to the fact that plain tonic water needs to be artificial seetener free as well. They were selling Fevertree flavoured tonic waters and Schweppes shite diet tonic water as the plain option . However, they now sell Fevertree plain tonic, thank goodness. Even Schweppes now do an artificial sweetener free one. Probably because they were losing sales to Fevertree.

The fact is that most people eat too much sugar. Anyone who says there is nothing wrong with that is deluded - why do we have so many fats kids and adults? (and no, it’s no lack of exercise - diet plays a much bigger role in people’s weight)
But changing to artificial sweeteners will do nothing to stop obesity at all. Sugar is not the problem , eating too much and lack of excercise is the problem . Everything in moderation is a much better way

try Caustons. They have lots of lovely drinks without sweeteners

@FlamingoAndJohn thank you 🙏

Isn't the issue that the way the market works is ass-backwards.

What should have happened, notionally, is that sugary drinks became more expensive so people would drink less of them, and they would be more of a treat item. Not get cokes bigger than their head at McDonalds for example.

Instead manufacturers want to keep people drinking and keep their price point, so they change the recipes to reduce sugar, but then they are gross with the artificial sweeteners.

I wonder though, since many people can't or won't drink those, if it might leave a market for sugar sweetened drinks that are a bit more expensive.

Those who have a very low budget have no choice to have the “unhealthy processed food” and therefore are suffered to have sweetener.
Processed food isn't cheaper. It is far cheaper to eat vegetarian homecooked food.

Mad that people now can't have soft drinks without making them unwell and are no healthier when out and about

Haven’t Fevertree and SAN Pelegrino started mixing sweetener into their “normal” versions?

@SonjaMorgan

Those who have a very low budget have no choice to have the “unhealthy processed food” and therefore are suffered to have sweetener. Processed food isn't cheaper. It is far cheaper to eat vegetarian homecooked food.

Actually no

The cost of food might be cheaper, but it’s the cooking that would wreck the savings

Much cheaper to have something like beans on toast, which would contain sweetener, than something healthy

The fact is that most people eat too much sugar.

True, but consuming artificial sweeteners doesn't curb the cravigs for something sweet, In fact, research suggests that they make people crave sugary foods.

As a tea drinker I very rarely drink sugary drinks, but there are always threads on here from posters who are addicted to diet coke and drink several cans of it a day.

Make your own

4 oz sugar
Juice of four lemons
1 litter sparkling water and ice.
Sugar and lemon juice in a jug, add some ice and top up with approx a litter of sparkling water.

Stir until the sugar is dissolved.

Bloody delicious.

We do have too much sugar but people should learn to moderate rather than the shops needing to increase their prices.

Artificial sweeteners are carcinogenic, so take your pick between diabetes and cancer...

@Pikachubaby

Haven’t Fevertree and SAN Pelegrino started mixing sweetener into their “normal” versions?

San Pellegrino have but I don’t think Fever Tree have... I just checked my Fever Tree stash and is all “clean”.