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To ask how much of your income you spend on school fees? And pls tell me its worth it...

421 replies

Claliscool · 17/07/2020 07:44

Not rich by any means.
Decided to send both children to independent school in September due to all sorts of covid and other reasons. The fees are about one third of our household income. Just bricking it slightly.

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Claliscool · 19/07/2020 22:52

So many interesting responses thank you.

My dc birth have best friends going to the school and while sad to leave their primary I think we all know its the right thing for us now. My son going into year 6 especially needs support with writing which will make all the difference with him academically.

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SabrinaThwaite · 19/07/2020 22:59

The very academic private schools and super selective state grammars don't need to and do not fiddle exams (nor do state comps)

State schools most certainly do fiddle results - weeding out difficult children (“I think Little Timmy would be better suited at another school” and then making sure that happens) or not entering kids into particular exams. It’s all about meeting KPIs and maintaining the place in the league tables.

Didkdt · 19/07/2020 23:08

I hope it all goes well.

FourPlasticRings · 19/07/2020 23:10

This is very interesting, OP. Thanks for posting the question. We'd be about the same to put ours through starting from primary and are considering it.

OhTheRoses · 19/07/2020 23:13

London Day Schools.
When we sent DS in 2003 8k; when he left in 2013 just under £20k. Highest year with two was £36k. That would have been stretching it from £100k.

My0My · 19/07/2020 23:24

There are many people in this country, whether privately educated or not, who do kind that are not well paid. They might even do them because they lobe them. Of course a private education doesn’t mean a dc will be a captain of industry or even the PM! It opens their mind and gives them chances.

My0My · 19/07/2020 23:25

Kind of jobs that are not well paid.....

MsTSwift · 19/07/2020 23:26

Comparing results can be ridiculous how can you compare a state that legally has to take everyone in the catchment with a super selective school that sets a rigorous entrance exam and creams off the brightest kids?! Whose results are better - the latter no shit Sherlock 😄

Yellow1949 · 19/07/2020 23:37

HRTWT.
We have 2 at a prep school (started at the local primary) and can comfortably afford the fees......BUT, I’m increasingly asking myself if it’s worth it. DC weren’t happy at their primary for a variety of reasons, hence the move. They are very happy at their prep. I went to a private school and earn a very healthy salary. DH didn’t and it’s his salary that covers the fees. Almost no-one I know who went to a private school can afford to send their own DC privately without help of GPs. If you are simply paying for your child to have a wide based curriculum or be happy (assuming they are), carry on, but if you think you are increasing their life chances, I honestly don’t think they are. The police force, teaching, nursing, building, working at low level civil service, military, publishing....they are all very respectable career choices, but I’m not sure any of them warrant a £250k Pre university education, and I’m increasingly of the opinion that providing a £250k house deposit for your child aged 25 might be a better investment.

4catsonabed · 20/07/2020 00:16

I have absolutely no preconceptions whatsoever about what my kids are going to do as careers. No idea. Two are very academic as it turns out, but that’s no guarantee of anything whatsoever. Another one is dyslexic quite severely and in a less selective independent which I doubt worth the money academically-speaking, to be honest. Some aspects of it are ridiculous. But the main thing is, she has her friends there and she’s happy, so better the devil you know and don’t rock the boat is my attitude. Plus she had to sit an exam even to get in this school and the odds if a place going into Year 7 were still 1 in 4, even though this is probably one of the easier schools to get into for miles. Independents that shouldn’t be selective in London In fact are selective - simply because they can be. Plus she wouldn’t get into a state school for miles anyway - I believe the one she was offered when I did look into it was the complete opposite side of the borough and it’s not great, to say the least. London is very much hit and miss. The state schools are a postcode lottery. Those who can pay the stamp duty and the house prices to get into the right catchment areas. Others stay put instead and pay school fees. Some discover the Catholic faith.

nicenames · 20/07/2020 09:01

So this is interesting - as always, private vs state turns into a bit of a bun fight!!

We have enrolled my DD at a pre prep for nursery, to get a look at what prep life offers from the inside, but we are still planning to go to the open evenings for the state schools, because we are not decided yet. For us prep school would be c.20% net income (our other outgoings are not big).

We live in a grammar school area, so we have a shot at good grammar schools at secondary and have an extremely good independent (amazing results), plus lots of other independents which are good at some things, less at others, suit different types of kids. If I had a bright child who had a bad day on the grammar school test, I'd probably pay to avoid the local academy, as in my town a lot of the brightest go to grammar and then a lot of those who just missed out go to the faith a school, so the cohort doesn't have many high achievers there and I have heard behaviour is mixed.

I went to state primary, then to a comprehensive school, then on to a sixth form that was attached to a much higher performing school that kicked out kids who didn't get 5 a-c and a B in the subject they wanted to do A levels in, so it was like a grammar sixth form really - I couldn't get in in the lower years as it was a faith school and my parents didn't put the effort in to "find god" (my mum now says she wishes she had!). I went on to oxbridge. You could hold me up as an example of "well she didn't need any more than a bog standard comp", but my experience in the comprehensive (which I understand is not reflective of every comprehensive) was absolutely dire - culture of bullying, particularly of bright kids, not cool to try etc. Even some of the teachers were a bit like that - they certainly made no effort to try to protect the bright kids from it. I taught myself 3 of my 11 GCSEs entirely as the teaching was so poor. I channelled the anxiety I felt all the time about where the next set of verbal abuse was going to come from into an eating disorder, which took a long time to recover from. The state sixth form was amazing - there were about 30 of us out of 120 with the kinds of GCSE results to get into oxbridge and everyone basically got into a good university for their choice of subject, whatever that was. So my views are that I would absolutely send my child to the school I attended for sixth form, but I would try to avoid sending my child to any school where she would stick out like a sore thumb and run the risk of bullying for working hard. Academically, though, I absolutely would have been fine anywhere - I could probably have taught myself all my GCSEs from home with a few books if I had to, as I was motivated and am very good at learning from a book - and I did loads of extracurricular sporty things outside school, played basketball and netball and ran for my county. At Oxford, my college was quite dominated by public school confident types and some were very sheltered, some very much not (drugs, wild travel, exposure to things that I certainly hadn't seen in my Home Counties childhood!) - I certainly felt initially that I had more in common with the state school kids, but that wore off a bit, though my very best friends from Oxford are state educated.

My DH is a product of prep and public school. He has been brought up with "private school confers massive advantage" because that is of course what you have to believe when you pay for it. Now he is married to me he realises that we got to exactly the same place, so he does question that somewhat! He was absolutely miserable during his common entrance exams (for which he was put under a lot of pressure) and at his single sex boys public school.

It is fair to say that we are both looking for an environment for our DD that is different from what each of us had at points in our school careers. I don't know what is right for us, but the reality for us is that it is about finding the right school rather than the right sector and I realise that this makes us extremely privileged to have the option to pay if we feel we need to- my parents didn't have this choice.

Hoppinggreen · 20/07/2020 09:12

One important point with regards to Private school is that a Private school in a wealthy part of London full of the kids of Bankers and Oligarchs is very different to one in Yorkshire full of the kids of Doctors, Accountants and Business people.

My0My · 20/07/2020 09:24

Many parents my DDs were at school with bought London flats for DDs as well as paying school fees! It’s not an either/or and it wasn’t for us.

I totally agree there’s so much difference between schools and many of the “name” schools do have plenty of parents who are always going to choose a private school and would barely know what a state school looked like.

pawsies · 20/07/2020 10:03

I went to an all girls private school

Academically yes it was good

Socially my god no.

I ended up going to a local college after school and that benefitted me so much more. I picked up on social skills that were seriously lacking in the private school.
The private school was just constant pressure which I didn't do well with.
I will be sending my kids to state schools for sure.

unchienandalusia · 20/07/2020 17:34

Take home? About a third. It's tough but we feel absolutely worth it.

unchienandalusia · 20/07/2020 17:34

Take home? About a third. It's tough but we feel absolutely worth it.

unchienandalusia · 20/07/2020 17:36

Take home? About a third. It's tough but we feel absolutely worth it.

Sohardtochooseausername · 20/07/2020 17:44

I spend about a quarter of mine as a single parent. It costs about the same as my mortgage. I don’t have a lot of luxuries and we don’t have fancy holidays but I’d say it’s worth it as all the state schools where I am are crowded and underfunded and my friends with kids at them are fairly frustrated. I went to both state and private myself and I’d say having the balance is good socially but I was only really pushed and challenged at private school and made to feel ‘worth it’.

My0My · 20/07/2020 20:37

pawsies: that means your parents chose the wrong school for you. No one left my DDs senior all girls school for the local college. It’s really all about choosing the right school. Your dc might hate their state school! Could be half full of bullies, feel intimidating, have huge classes, poor buildings and worn out frustrated staff. Could be great though.

Arnold106 · 19/01/2021 20:46

I would do it if I could , I did it for mine but with help and also going with out

NoIDontWatchLoveIsland · 19/01/2021 20:54

DH and I have run the numbers before, and based on it being a maximum of 1/4 of our post tax income (eg for end of secondary fees at a decent school for 2 children), we've ruled it out for now.

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