Next Boris announcement.

[anitagreen]

Just posting for opinions as I'm curious. What do you think will be the next lot of things he announces? Other than wearing masks.
I did hear it was Monday the 23rd. Is this correct?

[NaNaNaNaNaNaBaNaNa]

Meaningless.
3-part.
Slogan.

[Ethelfleda]

Ah I was hoping that people would have answered this OP as I want to know too. Sigh.

[Lilybet1980]

@Noextremes2017 actually I would question what depths you have sunk to by even mentioning the background of his wife or his looks. What has that got to do with anything? Imagine if people were questioning the ability of a female chancellor because do the wealth of her husband or her looks.

[sashagabadon]

i agree lockdown was maybe a week too late for london but about right for the rest of the country IMO

I think we are coming out of lockdown quite well. Considering it is a hard thing to do and bring the public with you, things seem to be happening more or less when the public want them too. Some are still reluctant to go out etc but masks may help with that. And going to the pub is not compulsory so no one need feel they have to do that

I wonder if countires like NZ doing well now - but closed off from the rest of the world and for how long? Waiting for other countries to save them with a vaccine.
Overall, I prefer our suppression strategy considering the virus was already here probably in January and so it was already in circulation and we (as a nation) would not have been ready to lock down in Feb.
We almost needed to see what was happening in Italy to agree to Lockdown at all.
Look at the fuss over masks (whipped up by the media - most people seem fine with them).

And countries that locked down early and appeared to do well (maybe some US states/ Israel / others) then seem to have come out too quickly and the virus is running wild again. Maybe that is the lesson for too early a lockdown.
Whitty/ Valance were right about this I think - doing the right measures at the right time as you have to take into account human behaviour

[Pixxie7]

Something to do with theatres etc.

[sashagabadon]

I was also reading that Australia is thinking abandoning it;s elimination strategy and doing suppression like us instead as it is just so hard to maintain elimination. The price seems very hard economically and on the people too.

We'll only know if suppression or elimination approach is best in a few months. I think it all ultimately depends on a timely vaccine.

Luckily the UK has one of the leading candidates for a vaccine so that could help us and we can help many other countries too.

[lilgreen]

Perhaps he’ll explain how the virus knows that it’s not allowed to spread inside a school. As soon as it arrives it behaves impeccably and nobody needs Ppe or to distance from kids. Would love to know how.

[TheSunIsStillShining]

[quote Lilybet1980]@Noextremes2017 actually I would question what depths you have sunk to by even mentioning the background of his wife or his looks. What has that got to do with anything? Imagine if people were questioning the ability of a female chancellor because do the wealth of her husband or her looks.[/quote]
These are the first things that come up after a simple google search. No one has to dig for these.

On your last sentence: you do know that female leaders do get questioned about their abilities purely because they are female. We usually have to work twice as hard for less money just to get by in many industries.

So applying the same thing to a man that men around the world do on a daily basis is just "fair".

[labyrinthloafer]

@sashagabadon Your post is a bit because if we'd locked down earlier outside London too there would have been fewer deaths in e.g. Norfolk or Somerset or Cornwall. I don't think you can really mean locking down a week later was a good idea because we wanted more deaths?

Yes, NZ are doing a lot better than us.

We're in a proper mess, I don't like it either, but we really have messed this up - and we didn't need to.

I had watched what happened in Italy, it was absolutely ridiculous we responded so slowly.

[RunningNinja79]

So if its not Monday 23rd, when is it? 20th? 27th? Or not until August?

It will be just a load of waffle that we'll find out about before anyway.
He'll tell us to go out and spend lots of money. Then more waffle.

[sashagabadon]

I disagree we are a proper mess though. I just don't see it like that at all.
Yes there has been cock ups but good stuff too and we may well have a vaccine before the rest of the world. NZ are likely to be at the bottom of any vaccine list as poorer more affected countries should and will get any international vaccine first.
It is a marathon not a sprint. Many countries still haven't peaked yet.
We may well have a second wave ourselves, although i don't think we will but do not know for sure.

Re. Lockdown , people won't do them for ever and it seems to be that some nations that locked down early and hard are having problems now they have lifted their restrictions. That hasn't been the case with us yet ( and hopefully won't be)

[SmileyClare]

When is it? It should be the 21st July, although the mask mandate is in effect from the 24th July.

He (Sunak) married the daughter of a billionaire so is obviously attracted to the smell of money That's scraping the barrel isn't it? It sounds like something a school girl would say.

[bingbong1970]

Swedish state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell’s recent comment that Sweden “should have done more to stop the virus” was widely interpreted as a repudiation of his own policy, but it’s now clear he was referring to elder-care facilities, where most of the deaths have occurred.

In an interview last week with Swedish Radio, he said: “There has been news that I believe the strategy was wrong. We still believe the strategy is good, you can always get better at this work.”

www.businessexaminer.ca/victoria-articles/item/assessing-the-lockdowns-damage-did-sweden-get-it-right/

[DebLou47]

Honestly !!!! No government in this life time as ever had to deal with a pandemic ... yes Boris has fked up but most governments have instead of the Asians one who are used to pandemic like sars etc .... how much stress is our government under and everyone at home thinks they could have done better

[DebLou47]

Honestly !!!! No government in this life time as ever had to deal with a pandemic ... yes Boris has fked up but most governments have instead of the Asians one who are used to pandemic like sars etc .... how much stress is our government under and everyone at home thinks they could have done better

[Noextremes2017]

Sorry to have offended the Sunak lovers on here. All I can suggest is open your ears to what he says and if you hear anything to suggest that he actually has any idea what he is doing - please let me know.
He has the job purely because he is a ‘yes man’ and a Johnson cheerleader.

[bingbong1970]

[quote VotePedroPony]frosted violets are you thinking of Sweden? The country who's head epidemiologist has admitted they were wrong not to lock down?

m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/sweden-coronavirus-lockdown-did-not-work_uk_5ed75fdfc5b6a209e0b9d271?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMWGnMEnIVApTyu4ncH0wxG_j7rmRRgpWZVbBjubvG09LA8mNlp5V_QNa3DEEGdRFo0QR5aM0jStH7i0YMLZ-jbvTKRCvsAnzD8RpsJkI7Kngz1ReH0d3OfpkSMvbiJuQ14-0zRL5cwATHfycoQtXAQPrO50Y7fWv6lHE32mb9pB[/quote]
Swedens head epidemiologist did nothing of the sort. He was referring to what could have been done better regarding elderly care homes where most of the deaths occurred. You were fed a lie, believed it and repeated it. The following is an excerpt from a publication that I will give a link to.

Swedish state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell’s recent comment that Sweden “should have done more to stop the virus” was widely interpreted as a repudiation of his own policy, but it’s now clear he was referring to elder-care facilities, where most of the deaths have occurred.

In an interview last week with Swedish Radio, he said: “There has been news that I believe the strategy was wrong. We still believe the strategy is good, you can always get better at this work.”


www.businessexaminer.ca/victoria-articles/item/assessing-the-lockdowns-damage-did-sweden-get-it-right/

[Marpan]

I don’t know that boris is incompetent, he just seemed to follow the advice of the two extremely weird “scientists” at the start who told us:

1. it’s not a concern
   
2. don’t wear a mask
   
3. go outside, have events
   
4. don’t close schools
   
5. it’s a Mild illness we can all get herd immunity
   
6. wash your hands & don’t use hand sanitiser
   
7. don’t close the borders
   
8. it’s not easily transmitted
   
9. don’t go to hospital, the poor nhs will be overwhelmed
   
10. we need to keep the ventilators Empty and available
    
    Now it’s the opposite !

[GreyGardens88]

@Noextremes2017

Sorry to have offended the Sunak lovers on here. All I can suggest is open your ears to what he says and if you hear anything to suggest that he actually has any idea what he is doing - please let me know.
He has the job purely because he is a ‘yes man’ and a Johnson cheerleader.

Sunak is terrifying, he's just as corrupt and morally bankrupt as the rest of them but has a veneer of charm that will easily fool any idiotic Daily Mail reader

[SmileyClare]

I swear every thread with Boris in the title has 50 angry replies saying He should have locked down earlier.

What do you think Boris will cover in his next announcement? I think it's a shambles, He should have locked down earlier

Do you like the name Boris? He should have locked down earlier

Yes you're angry and disillusioned, aren't we all.

[SmileyClare]

I'm not a Sunak lover but come on you can't throw shit around about him marrying the smell of money. That's a meaningless smear. And pretty low. It's the sort of thing an idiotic tabloid reader would lap up.

[GoingtotheWinchester]

I'm stunned that people are trying to defend Johnson - it's not just that he's fucked up it's that he's lied, again and again and again. And his adviser is a lying wanker and he stood by him too.

The care home thing is appalling, but they've lied about so much else. But they follow the Trump model of lie often enough and loud enough and people will believe you - some on this thread definitely prove that this strategy works.

I despair .

[bingbong1970]

@Marpan

I don’t know that boris is incompetent, he just seemed to follow the advice of the two extremely weird “scientists” at the start who told us:

1) it’s not a concern
2) don’t wear a mask
3) go outside, have events
4) don’t close schools
5) it’s a Mild illness we can all get herd immunity
6) wash your hands & don’t use hand sanitiser
7) don’t close the borders
8) it’s not easily transmitted
9) don’t go to hospital, the poor nhs will be overwhelmed
10) we need to keep the ventilators Empty and available

Now it’s the opposite !

That's just about exactly what all previous British governments did during previous Pandemics.

[Eskarina1]

Perhaps he'll announce something that makes it look like he read the winter report?

Failing to prepare once was bad - a pandemic was not a surprise, we did know one was due and lot of work was done to prepare which was undone or ignored. Failing to prepare for a second wave is approaching criminal negligence and he hasn't read the report, or even the exec summary. I mean, he knows it exists so that's something.

Honestly, ideologically (Brexit aside) I probably prefer Johnson to other Tory PMs. He's against austerity for a start. And as long as Carrie holds his attention there's a chance he'll do something about climate change.

But right now competence is far more important than ideology. I might have hated Thatcher but she'd have read every report, attended every Cobra meeting and if the opposition leader had asked about a message to bereaved families she wouldn't have made a joke about underpants.

[Bizawit]

@bingbong1970 quite!