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Notimeforaname · 19/08/2020 19:18

Well, this particular person didn't even know that you couldn't post pictures of kids on your public Insta without their parents permission, so I'm not sure about their safeguarding credentials
Well of course I agree, you should know the rules before you do any type of job. Unfortunately many people in life are not thorough enough with the rules.

NiceGerbil · 19/08/2020 19:18

The earlier ongoing defence of the jonbenet 'look' was weird. Insisting that it was a one off insisted by TV producers for shock value.

But Google indicates it's a 'thing' and none of the people on the program were remotely shocked.

To refuse to accept any iffy side to drag is silly.

I saw a defence of the use of 'fishy' that it had nothing to do with what it definitely has to do with.

If people like this stuff then they either need to accept that some of it is iffy, or say yes I know about xyz and it doesn't bother me at all.

KingFredsTache · 19/08/2020 19:20

And as far as what the kids get out of it, I don't know I think most kids are just happy to have stories read to them. Doesn't matter by who once they are kind and well mannered.

So why a drag queen called 'Flowjob' then?

The school couldn't even tag him in their tweet about the event, because clicking on the handle would have taken you from the school twitter to a twitter account with pornographic content 😂 (oh look, there I go again!)

Notimeforaname · 19/08/2020 19:22

Or about how Aida H Dee - who had memes about 'getting ur hole destroyed' on the same FB page as they used to advertise their services as a children's story teller? Appropriate? Good safeguarding credentials?
Why on earth would the school hire someone that was clearly advertised as associated with adult content if it was so plain and easy to see?

KingFredsTache · 19/08/2020 19:22

Well of course I agree, you should know the rules before you do any type of job. Unfortunately many people in life are not thorough enough with the rules.

Yeah, safeguarding, schmafeguarding, rules are made to be broken ammirite?!!!

NiceGerbil · 19/08/2020 19:22

Well some on the kids learned to twerk, in one of the videos of a drag queen storytime

KingFredsTache · 19/08/2020 19:23

Why on earth would the school hire someone that was clearly advertised as associated with adult content if it was so plain and easy to see?

It was a library, but yes, that is a good question...

NiceGerbil · 19/08/2020 19:23

Aren't all drag queens pretty much associated with adult content? That's kind of part and parcel of the whole thing surely.

KingFredsTache · 19/08/2020 19:24

Ah yes, the infamous 'learn how to twerk' library story time!

Notimeforaname · 19/08/2020 19:24

Why did the school choose that specific person for the job though?

NiceGerbil · 19/08/2020 19:25

It's an important skill for a preschooler to know in this day and age.

NiceGerbil · 19/08/2020 19:25

Why don't you look into it and try to find out, notime.

Notimeforaname · 19/08/2020 19:26

Aren't all drag queens pretty much associated with adult content? That's kind of part and parcel of the whole thing surely
You would think yes. It's only lately I've been hearing about drag story times.
I guess this is what the schools and libraries are after. I doubt drag artist are pushing their way in. They're offered work and take it.

JaJaDingDong · 19/08/2020 19:27

How at a time when rightly you could not broadcast in black face or similar is it OK to mock or at best caricature women so ridiculously?

I have raised this question on here previously myself.

I think drag should be banned. If someone isn't funny enough as a man, or doesn't sing well enough as a man, or whatever, doing those things dressed as a woman doesn't help.

Drag should be banned, just like the black and white minstrels would be if they started up again today.

KingFredsTache · 19/08/2020 19:29

Why did the school choose that specific person for the job though?

Well apparently Mhairi Black, who is a lesbian and became the youngest ever MP to sit in the House of Commons wasn't inspiring enough for school children to learn about LGBT to visit the school on her own, probably because she is just a boooooring old biological female. So they had to bring along a man with the stage name 'Flowjob' who, from his social media, appeared to be vulnerable and had a drug problem, to spice things up for the kiddies innit!

Notimeforaname · 19/08/2020 19:30

Drag should be banned, just like the black and white minstrels would be if they started up again today

So all drag banned? Even women who dress as men and the women who perform in extreme makeup/costume to vogue /drag songs? Because that's what is included in drag nowadays. Not so much on mainstream TV obviously but its part of drag.

Notimeforaname · 19/08/2020 19:33

Well apparently Mhairi Black, who is a lesbian and became the youngest ever MP to sit in the House of Commons wasn't inspiring enough for school children to learn about LGBT to visit the school on her own

okeydokey. I think a drag artist - or any freelance worker/performer isn't going to turn down work offered to them. So I guess it'll stop when the offers stop coming in.

aSofaNearYou · 19/08/2020 19:36

@Notimeforaname the "they" I was referring to was anyone that has ever looked at a situation where somebody oppressed complains about the behaviour of their oppressor, and calls them "ridiculous". People used to say segregation based on race wasn't going anywhere, or that women seeking the vote was them being "in a flap". Funnily enough, we think of those people as arseholes now.

It's one thing to just not be bothered by this personally but to openly acknowledge that women have been oppressed on a similar level to black people throughout history but call them "ridiculous" for complaining about the same act, is entirely another. That does not reflect well on a person at all.

Notimeforaname · 19/08/2020 19:39

aSofaNearYou then I guess this thread needs to be labeled Drag Queens. And not just drag. Because woman can and do perform in drag.

Notimeforaname · 19/08/2020 19:45

It's one thing to just not be bothered by this personally but to openly acknowledge that women have been oppressed on a similar level to black people throughout history but call them "ridiculous" for complaining about the same act, is entirely another. That does not reflect well on a person at all

I'm sure I haven't called anyone ridiculous for their opinions. That doesn't sound like me. If you can show me where I have, I will absolutely apologise for it but I'm sure I didn't call anyone ridiculous.
I'm happy to hear all views and opinions and am genuinely interested in the discussion.

Quaagars · 19/08/2020 19:46

It is my opinion that it's not "woman face" and find the notion that some think it is ridiculous

By this I meant that I find the idea of"woman face" a ridiculous notion.
Which I do.
On reading back can see it can be read as people saying I think they're ridiculous for believing it to be so, which wasn't what I meant - people are entitled to their opinions even if I don't agree with them.

Quaagars · 19/08/2020 19:49

So all drag banned? Even women who dress as men and the women who perform in extreme makeup/costume to vogue /drag songs? Because that's what is included in drag nowadays. Not so much on mainstream TV obviously but its part of drag

Pantomime dames too? Plenty of people, grown ups and children alike, love going to the pantomime at Christmas and seeing Widow Twanky or whoever me included
That'd fall under drag too.

iguanadonna · 19/08/2020 19:59

YANBU. Tired, outdated misogynistic parody of women. Often especially of women who dare to own and flaunt their sexuality. Can't believe it's still around.

KingFredsTache · 19/08/2020 20:01

@Notimeforaname

Drag should be banned, just like the black and white minstrels would be if they started up again today

So all drag banned? Even women who dress as men and the women who perform in extreme makeup/costume to vogue /drag songs? Because that's what is included in drag nowadays. Not so much on mainstream TV obviously but its part of drag.

If women are such an integral part of drag, then how come Rupaul's Drag Race went 11 seasons without a single female contestant? How come women aren't featured in mainstream drag at all? It seems like women in drag is a very niche thing that most of the general public (myself included) has never even come across?

Notimeforaname · 19/08/2020 20:13

If women are such an integral part of drag, then how come Rupaul's Drag Race went 11 seasons without a single female contestant? How come women aren't featured in mainstream drag at all? It seems like women in drag is a very niche thing that most of the general public (myself included) has never even come across?

I agree with you, I've found myself asking those questions.
It would be nice to see then on TV amd things a lot more.

Personally I've only noticed drag kings a lot more the last year or two so it's only starting to get more popular I think.
Say 15 years ago, I may see one drag king every other show, or only once every now and again.
But the last year especially I see them a lot more on shows/competitions, every show in fact etc. Here I mean. Where I am.