Drag, drag, drag....

[Yarboosucks]

I have never been a particularly sensitive or active feminist, but all this drag rubbish on TV is getting to me. How at a time when rightly you could not broadcast in black face or similar is it OK to mock or at best caricature women so ridiculously?

I like drag, it's not offensive.The men can look quite ridiculous at times. but some can look quite good, and its just entertainment in my view.

There are many forms of drag. Many aren't female impersonation. Nearly all are not trying to look like a real woman at all.

What gets me is all these "feminists" who hate drag because they personally find it offensive, thinking other women cannot have their own minds or opinions and must conform to theirs. That doesn't sound like feminism to me at all.

Nickmoooooo Because they're called drag kings not drag queens.

Sorry - but where is all this drag rubbish on tv? I haven’t noticed any!

< goes back to Watch Holly City >

@felineflutter

And you're right, BBC are pushing the agenda - look at iPlayer, look at what they try to get you to watch next.

Yes totally agree. I was trying to find a nature documentary or something like that to watch with DD and pretty much all the documentaries are down this line. Nothing is really mainstream. Tbh BBC has had its day. I find it sinister now in fact.

Also to PP who mentioned Eddie Izzard. I have always thought he hates women and his take on drag is most aggressive same with Grayson Perry, who funnily enough seems to have toned his look down a lot of late.

This^

I’ve always thought Eddie Izzard doesn’t like or respect women and girls. And drag will definitely be tomorrow’s Little Britain.

Currently, wokeness is in the forefront of broadcasters minds. This too shall pass.

Meh.

I had absolutely no idea that being offended by drag was a "thing." Ive never come across this irl life. Learn something new every day!

Women’s spaces, terminology and identity.

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Wow 80% you are not being unreasonable on 799 votes!
I didnt expect so many to say YANBU, just a few months ago it would be the other way around, but it seems more women are noticing this issue.

I realised what the term "fishy" meant. It's a pretty gross and demeaning stereotype that women have gross and smelly genitalia. That opened my eyes to other misogynistic stereotypes that I'm really not here for, women being shrieky/shrill, emotional, bitchy, cliquey, jokes about periods being disgusting etc
Agree.

I’m so surprised by this thread I’ve never come across anyone who finds drag offensive !! The 80% vote really took me by surprise

Deeply offensive!

Ive always (i.e.since I was a child) put drag artists and clowns in the same category. Ive always found them both creepy and wierd. The 2 drag acts I happened to see live were awful - they clearly hated women given the language they used, which didnt go down well with either (mixed sex) audience, either.

Currently, wokeness is in the forefront of broadcasters minds. This too shall pass.

Amen, sister!

huh?

i think the professionally offended have gathered on this thread

I think drag is deemed acceptable and blackface isn't because society thinks that a person can change their gender but not their race.

Criticizing drag is seen by some as criticizing those who genuinely feel their birth gender is not correct for them. If society believes gender is not fixed at birth then it is harder to argue against men dressing up as women for a laugh than it is to argue against white men blacking up for a laugh.

Fortunately, wokeness will catch up before long. I dream of the day Mrs Brown's Fucking Boys is consigned to the same dustbin as the Black & White Minstrels.

@contrmary the transphobes are back in full force i see

Why is it always a man dressed as a woman and not a woman dressed as a man?
Would that be OK or easier to swallow if it were a woman dressed as a man?
There are quite a number of drag Kings out there..perhaps its not quite as common where you are.
Funnily enough when I'm out at a drag show nobody bats an eyelid at the queen's but when a drag King walks out that's when I hear a lot of snide remarks, from women mostly.

I do respect people's opinions but hope others respect opinions that differ from theirs as here I find a lot of women speaking for others and saying that we're all offended or we need to be offended.
Absolutely fine by me I adore drag.

I truly wonder if people in this post have as much of an issue with drag kings as they do queens.

Usually they say they don't. But in my experience drag kings get a lot off crap off of women.

Of crap *

I also think the current excess of 'drag' queens etc on TV is offensive.

It's very offensive as it does actually over emphasise 'womanly' bodies and mannerisms, but in a 'I'm a total slapper' type of way, which, as a woman, I find insulting and I find that very offensive.

It's equally as offensive as the old 'black and white minstrel show' that over emphasised skin colour , mannerisms and characteristics of 'minstrels' (who were stereotypically male people of colour, who could all dance and sing for the audiences entertainment.

But I'm not up in arms about it, I just won't watch it, for the aforementioned reasons.

Same reasons I've stopped watching some programmes on TV that insist on LOTS of sex scenes with lesbian or gay couples ( Not because I have any issues with the homosexual side, or with sex itself, but because these shows ALWAYS seem to think that these 'type' of couples always have non stop bloody sex !) as they do not reflect any typical relationship but a stereotyped one.

@Notimeforaname

"Do you have any theories as to why drag kings are clearly not as popular in mainstream culture?" I'm assuming the drag scene is very different in the UK than here in Ireland.. We have quite a lot of drag Kings here.

Really? On the telly like the drag queens have here?