To not want to see DC after holiday abroad with exH

[WearyandBleary]

ExH is taking teen DC to Spain with his partner and her children in two weeks.

AIBU to want him to self isolate with them for at least a week afterwards? I feel sick at the thought of 200 people in a budget airplane there and back and the associated risks.

He said the two week isolation rule has changed and they are coming back to mine from the airport. I am so stressed!

AIBU to want them to self isolate after the flights?

Corona Do as I want you to, because I say so.... nah thanks for that sis I'm grown up enough to make my own decisions. But your decisions have consequences for others. I have worn a mask throughout because I got used to it during the SARS pandemic in Hong Kong and if you didn’t there a granny was likely to set about you with an umbrella until you put one on. They have had 4 deaths in a city of 7 million people. It is such a simple and easy thing to give others the respect of following the guidelines, socially distancing and indeed wearing a mask. It costs you nothing except to just be aware of the people around you. In countries where they took those simple steps quickly and effectively they have kept their people safe. We still have more weekly deaths than some countries which have more compliant cultures have had throughout the pandemic and this country is not exceptional, except in thinking it is.

@Emilyontmoor you clearly are being targeted by everyone (or you're imaging your are), I work in London city and don't experience anything other than people being totally respectful of social distancing.

I travel by bus, tube, train or walking (depending on which one I decide on), no issues.

You seem highly anxious and to be strangely surrounded with other highly anxious people.

You really can't even walk safely, when the schools have vastly reduced number of pupils?
The nurse has cut off her brother because he went to the pub.

I still say I don't believe that anyone under fifty didn't make ICU, based on my frontline sons experience.

Holidays are my favourite thing but I won’t be flying this year and that’s my decision. Having made my decision I also won’t be meeting up in close quarters with anyone who makes a different decision. He cannot make a unilateral decision to increase your risk over and above what you have judged is acceptable. The answer from me would be a clear no. He’s decided to take them, he’ll have to make arrangements to quarantine them afterwards.

@Emilyontmoor I will go to a pub and have, I followed guidelines, I'm working, I'm living my life, I'm spending and providing for the people who won't go back to work, won't get the economy going and are just pulling the "I'm so anxious, I'm a better person than you because I'm staying in".

Meanwhile the country falls to pieces!

Yeah carry on with the "I'm doing it for the good of others" you're not, you're doing it for the good of you and you only!

You can isolate them as I said upthread it is perfectly possible it's just not much fun and lots more work for you.

I agree with previous poster tell your teens what it will be like and see if they wouldn't rather stay with their dad on their return

For reassurance - the air on planes is filtered with extreme regularity:

Except for some smaller or much older aircraft, airplanes are equipped with True High-Efficiency Particle Filters (True HEPA) or High-Efficiency Particle Filters (HEPA). ... The HEPA filtration system can make a complete air change approximately 15 to 30 times per hour, or once every two to four minutes.

I can assure you I am not highly anxious about Covid having lived through another pandemic, (and my daughters school was closed by the swine flu epidemic, she was given Tamiflu as a contact of an infected classmate). When all this started I was totally relaxed because I had lived somewhere where you were communicated with like an adult and which kept people safe through effective infection control measures which everyone respected and effective testing, tracking and tracing and quarantine, and indeed had experienced the same during the swine flu epidemic . What has made me nervous is a government that has not kept me safe and the fact that at least 50% of people in my community seem to have decided the virus is gone and they do not have to follow the guidelines anymore. My DD works in a testing centre that Cancer research U.K. had to set up to serve UCLH GOSH and the Royal Marsden in the absence of effective testing by PHE who requisitioned their best PCR machines and then left them sat in a lab in Milton Keynes because they didn’t know how to use them. . They do 5000 tests a day and still have no support from PHE or the government. So yes all this continual botching of the government response makes me anxious. Completely ridiculous to try and lay the blame on people who don’t feel safe to go out, when it isn’t. Hundreds are still dying each week.

Throughout the whole of this pandemic countries like Hong Kong and Taiwan kept their economies going because they had the disease under control. If this country’s economy is tanking it is because the government has not kept the virus under control effectively not because people like me who are having to stay home (did you miss we are in isolation ahead of surgery) are supporting local businesses via my computer and delivery. My DD tells people are much more compliant in Central London but it is easier because there are so few people about. The local school has over 150 pupils back in its sixth form alone and similar numbers in the primary .

And you surely appreciate that mask wearing does not protect you, it protects others from you. I fail to see how the simple act of putting a bit of cloth over your face because it helps with infection control is now seem as some big symbol of virtue signalling, anxiety or whatever else. It is what it is, a simple act of infection control when it is needed.

YABU.

@Emilyontmoor you clearly are the font of all knowledge! But you need more paragraphs in your diatribe!

Meanwhile I'll keep the economy going, unlike the massively unprofessional nurse that treated hot daughter.

Personally I'd be reposting that scaremongering person to her trust. To say I've cut off my brother because he went to the pub within guidelines is just an awful thing to say!

I'm back in London city tomorrow... working, paying taxes....

Ah so now not only am I a very anxious virtue signalling wreck but also a layabout who doesn’t pay tax You can work and pay tax from home.... In fact from what I gather from the businesses I work with Central London is going to continue to be much emptier, we have all learnt a lot from the virus about a different sort of economy and ways of working. Gove and Boris must be shitting themselves about the impact on their friends in the property sector. And we are already seeing the benefits for the local economy

@Emilyontmoor to be honest your paragraphs without punctuation are difficult to understand, but as I've said previously you seem to have an infinite amount of knowledge of nurses, precious pandemics etc,

I don't believe a medical professional would disclose the information they ddI, but if they did I think they are so highly unprofessional due to anxiety or whatever, then their opinion should be totally disregarded.

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😂 ah yes the dangers of bad punctuation versus an incompetent government and a rampant virus.... Thankfully the gift of dyslexia has enabled me to see the wood for the trees (and has helped me make a living out of it.... )

@Emilyontmoor dyslexia as well......

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Here you go on why not being great at punctuation might not be a reason to attack somebody’s analysis www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gchq-jobs-recruitment-intelligence-spy-jeremy-fleming-dyslexia-disability-neurodiversity-a9163996.html%3famp